thank you for your inane remarks, I know you can't handle the 
truth, unfortuantly American belligerance is not just putting 
the U.S. and its citizens at risk but also 70 other countries 
in the world, which are prone to terrorist attacks (some by the 
U.S.) Carry on your satanic foreign office policy if you choose 
but dont complain if it all blows up in your face in the 
metaphoric or litteral sense!

I would prefer it if 9-11 didn't happen or ever happen again, 
unfortuantly the stability of the world rests on the shoulders 
of a U.S. cabinet made up of Genocidal mass murders, War 
criminals and fat cats.

P.S. get a life

you are stupid

You say that terrorism will never be eradicated.  I say that it 
will.  Bet on it.  And while I'm getting a life, Slappy, you can 
get lost.                        

You are a stupid head because if uyo kill the terrorists they 
gonna stop arent they you dumn fuck

I hate Muslims because the TV tells me to.

"Satanic foreign policy?"  And YOU say I can't handle the 
truth?  Look, I canunderstand your indignation to a point, and I 
felt indignant regarding what I believe I inferred corectly as 
arrogance on your part, but really, judging an entire nation just 
because you don't like me?  Belligerence knows no nationality, as 
illustrated in your posts.  I appreciate that you would rather 
that 9-11 hadn't occurred, but this goes beyond our shores.  
Surely you must realize that this type of thing can and probably 
will occur around the world on occasion, in any Western nation.  
Your rant regarding my nation's leaders sounds as if you pulled 
it out of an underground comic book.  From your punk rocker days, 
was it?                   

ashs to ashs and dust to dust

and rising from the ashes is my vengeful lust              

I believe that America has never ever done anything wrong and 
that we are God's Chosen because the TV says so.

firstly, I won't comment on your littery skills, but I will 
make it very simple for you to understand, I did NOT say that 
all Americans are belligerant or anything else I have ONLY 
criticised the US government, if you DO NOT want your 
government to be critised then please do me a favour and just 
elect a totaletarian or communist government and they'll see to 
you have all freedom of speech taken away from you, so that you 
can't ever critise them again.

secondly, all the information above is conclusions reached from 
actual documented cases from international war crimes tribunals 
against the US by 16 judges of international humanitarian law 
in each case.  Just search the internet there are many credible 
sources you will find if you do your research correctly that 
the US in the past has committed crimes against peace, war 
crimes and crimes against humanity (the legal and technical 
precursor to Genocide) in Yugoslavia, Korea, Iraq, and actual 
genocide in Vietnam.  War crimes in Japan, Afghanistan.

Thirdly, I can understand if you are confused, lets be honest 
with the propoganda George Bush instagates it looks as though 
butter would'nt melt, even though he has commited war crimes in 
Afghanistan, I mean 4,000 civilians don't just drop dead do 
they??? with the way George Bush carries on you would think 
that he was hot contender to be the next Pope or something.

I live in the UK, now Tony Blair has been found guilty of 
crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity by 
an independant international war crimes tribunal along with 
Gerhard Schroder, Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright as well as 
NATO itself.  I'm a Muslim and although Slobodan Milosevic 
isn't exactly on my Christmas shopping list, he is unfortuantly 
right about NATO war crimes.  Anyway like I was saying: Tony 
Blair, Gerhard Schroder, Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright have 
been found guilty of these offences by a independent War Crimes 
tribunal and also by a court in Belgrade where each of them was 
sentenced to 20 years in prison.  WHY haven't you heard of this 
because there are no mechanisms to bring international war 
criminals to justice (thus the need for an international 
criminal court, the US government is opposed to this, logically 
if they want to commit war crimes OR for a change be subject to 
the law they would be), therefore it hasn't gained media 
attention, as for Milosevic, well lets just say he is subject 
to victors justice, whether this is justice or not, you decide, 
I'm no philospher!!! So in short Tony Blair can either hand 
himself in to the Yugoslav authorities or buy himself a ticket 
to see the Millenium dome, chances are he'll do neither!! 
(being American you won't get this joke).  I appologise to you 
if the FACTS in this message upset you in advance (but rest 
assured they are FACTS - NOT my opinion or lies).

America is run by a commie government. Why don't they disband 
the UN, why doesn't President Bush declare martial law and 
conscription? We are in a state of WAR, people! There is nothing 
like discipline and patriotism to show the world that we're 
no.1. We are the world police, and we should be the world 
government, not through the UN and their snivelling socialists 
but through NATO. All the other countries are practically all 
like the US anyway so they might as well be another state of the 
US - the reason they all gripe so much is that they're jealous. 
I say kick all their asses because US is best, and God loves the 
US, and the world should be US. As soon as we start taking over 
other countries, the closer we come to world peace.

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I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I LIKE TO EAT RAW BACON
I LIKE A HAM ON RYE
I SUCK THE COCKS OF CAMELS
I WANT TO SEE YOU DIE

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I WEAR A FUNNY TURBAN
TO COVER UP MY HEAD
AND IF YOU SEE ME NAKED
YOU'LL WISH THAT YOU WERE DEAD

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I LIKE TO BLOW UP BUILDINGS
I LIKE TO BLOW UP CARS
I LIKE TO KILL SMALL CHILDREN
AND HANG OUT IN GAY BARS

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I MUST BE GAY TO SAY THIS
I MUST BE SUCH A FAG
BUT KILLING ALL YOU PEOPLE 
HAS BEEN A BLOODY DRAG

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

THE FUNNY THING ABOUT ME
IS ALL THOSE PEOPLE SAY
THAT I'M SOME KIND OF PROPHET
WHEN REALLY I'M JUST GAY

I AM A FAGGOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY
MY CAMEL IS MY LOVER
MY GOAT IS MY BEST FRIEND
THEY GIVE IT TO ME DAILY
THREE TIMES IN THE END!



YOURS SINCERELY
mOHaMMaD tHE iNSINcERe pOeT ANd ThE BiggEsT iDIOt of ThE laSt 
ThoUsAnd YeARs



a note from the author

now i know people have died for saying such terrible things 
about poor old mohammed, and I hope my muslim friends don't mind 
that i served them pork last week as a joke. But guess what!
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!! YOU ALL NEED TO DIE!!!
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(your right you are an idiot)

I know the United States has turned into an anti-Semetic hell 
whole for Arabs and Muslims but it doesn't mean you have to 
lower yourself to the level of a Zionist (neo-facist) Jew.

I think only someone like you, who probably finds it difficult 
to rub two brain cells together could make such a statement.  

You can't call all Muslims terrorists just because of Osama-Bin-
Laden, Just as you can't blame the Pope for what the IRA or ETA 
get up to in their spare time.  

*** In fact according to the Quran Osama-Bin-Laden is not a 
Muslim, in fact you can not be a Muslim AND be a terrorist at 
the same time.  If Osama-Bin-Laden is a terrorist he is 
orchastrating tyranny (like George Bush) which God classifies 
in the Quran as being a tool of the devil, - aggression, 
oppression and tyranny are condemned thoughout the Quran.

Suicide is condemned throughout the Quran anyone who commits 
suicide incurrs hell (that includes suicide bombers).  If you 
kill an innocent cilivian on purpose it is recorded as if you 
have killed the entire human race!!!

The Quran IS the LAST testament to mankind it CONFIRMS and 
SUPERCEDES the PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES (OT, NT).

The hi-jackers WILL incurr hell and for the number of people 
they have killed most probably the lowest pit thereof.  

"Jihad" or "STIVING" is SELF - DEFENCE against aggression, 
oppression and tyranny NOT creating some of your own.

MOST people mis-understand Islam INCLUDING Muslims.
  
MOST Muslims follow HADITH & SUNNA Satanic Innovations that led 
to the creation of the TALIBAN which is the perfect Sunni 
HADITHIST group.

The QURAN has no nonsense in it, this is God's revelation.  It 
is COMPLETE, PERFECT and FULLY DETAILED.  While Muslims ONLY 
used the QURAN for religious guidance they were the most 
technically advanced, scientifically advanced, powerful etc, 
after they started using SATANIC SOURCES the religion that 
freed the repressed Christian states in the Middle East is now 
begining to be as extreemist as it was before the advent of 
Islam.

Islam was the first religion on a legal basis to treat women as 
equals to men, giving them the right to divorce which is not 
granted by any other religion.  

The HIJAB is an Arabic cultural dress it is NOT ISLAMIC DRESS.  
In fact in some tribes in Sudan it is the men who wear the 
HIJAB???  The dress code for women in Islam is to cover the 
chest and wear a modest length of dress, unfortuantly some 
TYRANNICAL arab scholars insist that Arabic culture IS a part 
of Islam when IT IS NOT.

(your right you are an idiot)

I know the United States has turned into an anti-Semetic hell 
whole for Arabs and Muslims but it doesn't mean you have to 
lower yourself to the level of a Zionist (neo-facist) Jew.

I think only someone like you, who probably finds it difficult 
to rub two brain cells together could make such a statement.  

You can't call all Muslims terrorists just because of Osama-Bin-
Laden, Just as you can't blame the Pope for what the IRA or ETA 
get up to in their spare time.  

*** In fact according to the Quran Osama-Bin-Laden is not a 
Muslim, in fact you can not be a Muslim AND be a terrorist at 
the same time.  If Osama-Bin-Laden is a terrorist he is 
orchastrating tyranny (like George Bush) which God classifies 
in the Quran as being a tool of the devil, - aggression, 
oppression and tyranny are condemned thoughout the Quran.

Suicide is condemned throughout the Quran anyone who commits 
suicide incurrs hell (that includes suicide bombers).  If you 
kill an innocent cilivian on purpose it is recorded as if you 
have killed the entire human race!!!

The Quran IS the LAST testament to mankind it CONFIRMS and 
SUPERCEDES the PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES (OT, NT).

The hi-jackers WILL incurr hell and for the number of people 
they have killed most probably the lowest pit thereof.  

"Jihad" or "STIVING" is SELF - DEFENCE against aggression, 
oppression and tyranny NOT creating some of your own.

MOST people mis-understand Islam INCLUDING Muslims.
  
MOST Muslims follow HADITH & SUNNA Satanic Innovations that led 
to the creation of the TALIBAN which is the perfect Sunni 
HADITHIST group.

The QURAN has no nonsense in it, this is God's revelation.  It 
is COMPLETE, PERFECT and FULLY DETAILED.  While Muslims ONLY 
used the QURAN for religious guidance they were the most 
technically advanced, scientifically advanced, powerful etc, 
after they started using SATANIC SOURCES the religion that 
freed the repressed Christian states in the Middle East is now 
begining to be as extreemist as it was before the advent of 
Islam.

Islam was the first religion on a legal basis to treat women as 
equals to men, giving them the right to divorce which is not 
granted by any other religion.  

The HIJAB is an Arabic cultural dress it is NOT ISLAMIC DRESS.  
In fact in some tribes in Sudan it is the men who wear the 
HIJAB???  The dress code for women in Islam is to cover the 
chest and wear a modest length of dress, unfortuantly some 
TYRANNICAL arab scholars insist that Arabic culture IS a part 
of Islam when IT IS NOT.

Thanks for not commenting on my littery skills.  Your alleged 
love for freedom of speech seems to apply to the content of your 
posts, but not mine, as evidenced by your correct assumption that 
I do not actually WANT to have my President criticized.  
Considering that he showed true leadership in his speech to the 
UN, I'd say that he champions freedom of speech also!  If you 
actually think that I oppose freedom of speech, you've been 
missing out on my posts.  Otherwise I'd have to assume that your 
comment is sarcasm of the lowest sort.  Oh, and your apology is 
accepted.  However, I must consider the source of the sarcasm.  
I'm sure that your nationality won't get in the way of your 
ability to comprehend this.                  

Speak the truth, my brother!  I'm with you, .44.  It irks me to 
see so many on this message board who mock and spit at you.  
They aren't True, Red-blooded Americans like we!!!!

You, go .44 dude!!!!

They hate guys like us because we've got it good here in 
American and worked really really hard to make something of this 
country, despite what we did to the... oh, nevermind that stuff. 
It's history!

To all you .44 bashers- Go to hell!!!!!

I'VE INVENTED A CAR THAT IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING ON HUMAN FARTS 
ALONE!!!! NOW, NO MORE DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL!!! THIS WILL 
CHANGE THE WORLD AND BRING PEACE TO OUR NATION.  BUT THERE ARE 
OMINOUS FORCES AT WORK WHO ARE TRYING TO STOP ME FROM INFORMING 
THE PUBLIC.  I'M AFRAID TO GO OUTSIDE TO THE LABORATORY.  MY 
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ARE ALL TAMPERED WITH.  I'VE ELECTRONICALLY 
SWEPT MY RESIDENCE AND FOUND SEVERAL ''BUGS'' WHICH HAVE BEEN 
PLACED IN MY HOME WHILE I WAS AWAY AT WORK.  IF YOU COME ACROSS 
MY MESSAGE, PLEASE VISIT WWW.FARTPOWER.COM TO SEE MY LATEST 
INVENTION, WHICH WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE WAY WE TRAVEL AND HELP 
US GAIN OUR FREEDOM FROM TERRORISM.

Oh thank you! One cannot hear about what a peacefull religion 
Islam is often enough. Nor the oft repeated phrase 'do not judge 
all by the actions of one man". You like facts? Well the facts 
are, its a whole lot more than one man commited to terrorism 
thru a belief in Islam! You explain what the Quaran says 
regarding suicide, murder and such. Thats all very well and nice 
but where is the MUSLIM OUTRAGE at fellow Muslims commiting such 
horrific acts in the name of Islam? After all, they are dragging 
Islam thru the mud. With the numbers of Muslims worldwide, one 
would logically think there would be a TREMENDOUS CONDEMNATION 
of these terrorists. There is not. Instead rallies are held in 
London on 09/11 fully supporting Osama bin Ladin and making 
excuses. Instead, statements are made by so-called Islamic 
clerics which can easily be construed as threats against British 
or as outright blackmail! YES, thats some peacefull religion you 
have there! Banners were strung reading "the future of Britian 
is as an Islamic state". And here we get to the heart of the 
matter, a statement made by one of the speakers at the "Towers" 
rally. "The world must convert to Islam, or be destroyed". It 
don't get more peacefull than that I reckon.

www.guerrillanewsnetwork.com

America is run by a commie government. Why don't they disband 
the UN, why doesn't President Bush declare martial law and 
conscription? We are in a state of WAR, people! There is nothing 
like discipline and patriotism to show the world that we're 
no.1. We are the world police, and we should be the world 
government, not through the UN and their snivelling socialists 
but through NATO. All the other countries are practically all 
like the US anyway so they might as well be another state of the 
US - the reason they all gripe so much is that they're jealous. 
I say kick all their asses because US is best, and God loves the 
US, and the world should be US. As soon as we start taking over 
other countries, the closer we come to world peace.

What have I just said!!!

Go back to my previous message? 

The group you are talking about is as extreemist as you like, 
its as if I said that EVERY American is a member of the KKK.  
Now I'm sure thats not true.

5 major freedoms that should exist in a TRUELY ISLAMIC STATE 
are:

1) ABSOLUTE freedom of religion

2) Gauranteed Human Rights ( not afforded to those in 
Guantanomo Bay - but then again thats what all 5 star 
concentration camps aim for isn't it. )

3) Freedom of speech and expression

4) Freedom of travel

5) Freedom to trade

If these are the freedoms that will be associated with the UK 
then what I have to say is I can't complain, CAN YOU??

I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME THE US CONDEMNED ISRAEL FOR BEING 
A NEO-FACIST APARTEID STATE RUN BY A NEO-FACIST GOVERNMENT, 
WHICH SPENDS MOST OF ITS TIME FIGURING OUT HOW TO ETHICALLY 
CLEANSE PALESTINIANS, AND WHICH HAS A NEO-FACIST GENOCIDAL MASS-
MURDERER, GENERAL ARIAL SHARON RUNNING THE COUNTRY, CAN YOU?

SO IS IT ANY WONDER THAT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, THAT PEOPLE 
IN THE MIDDLE EAST REACT IN THE EXACTLY THE same WAY! 

Firstly, you have little if not no knoledge of the Middle 
East.  when for example the US funds the repression and tyranny 
of the Israeli army, and NO-ONE does anything about it NOT 
Israel, NOT the US, NOT the international community which has 
proven itself to be a lame waste of space.  The intensity of 
anti-Americanism brought about by a satanic US foreign office 
policies in the region mean that this is what happens:

1) You are not allowed to express your disapproval for US 
foreign office policy because of the oppressive and tyrannical 
puppet government brought into existance by the US and all 
other such governments proped up by Washington in the region.  
UNLIKE in the US you can not bring law suits against the 
tyranny of the Israeli army for example.

2) WHO is listning to your concerns and problems NO-ONE else 
seems to care if your wife, brother, sister, mother, father, 
son, daugther is being ethnically cleansed in Israel, EXCEPT 
OSAMA - BIN - LADEN.

3) What does Osama-bin-laden promise he promises that he will 
defeat the tyranny and repression of the US and ISRAEL by the 
only means that they understand military assults.  

4) Osama-Bin-Laden is the Middle East's most effective politian 
as well as the most effective terrorist.  Popularist sentiment 
which is not being addressed by the regions so 
called "leaders", is the birth place of all terrorists.

5) Osama-Bin-Laden started off as your average terrorist funded 
by the US to carry out terrorist attrocities in Russia, 
Trainned under the careful and unfortuantly as we've come to 
realise effective tutalige of the CIA, at the worlds best 
terrorist training camp in Georgia in the US, after he got 
bored with that he decided to turn on the US, YOU JUST CANT GET 
THE STAFF NOW-A-DAYS CAN YOU?? anyway like I was saying what 
the US is going thorough now is not even a drop in the ocean 
compared to what has been going on in the whole of the Middle 
East, you can't possibly imagine.

6) Osama-Bin-Laden is NOT being treated as CRIMINAL by the US 
government IN FACT the US is going to WAR with terrorists there 
fore the US will have to lower their level to that of a 
terrorist in fact most people in the international community 
will tell you that it is Osama-Bin-Laden who has to lower his 
level to the US.  Wars are fought with soldiers and the US has 
made Osama-Bin-Laden look like a WARRIOR and NOT a TERRORIST.  
He can now sit back and make it look like he is a warrior of a 
just cause, the liberation of Arab lands, the remover of US 
tyranny and oppression, you get the idea! 

7) You can't win against terrorists its hard enough to wage war 
on a abstract concept let alone an abstract noun, the idea of a 
war on terror is a popularist myth that will only DIVERT 
attention from the real issues.  If these issues are addressed 
the so called "JUST CAUSE" of Osama-Bin-Laden will disappear 
along with him.

TWO WAYS OF SOLVING TERRORISM

The ISRAELI WAY:

- Blow away anything that moves - Guess what? it doesn't work!
  Turn on the TV for proof

The BRITISH WAY:

- Address the UNDERLYING issues so that each parties concerns   
  are addressed and resolved WITHOUT THE NEED FOR VIOLENCE.  
  This way is not without problems but it does work, Turn on
  the TV for proof.

how convenient for you that you neglected to mention those 
homicidal bombers who were funded by Saddam Hussein, and sent to 
their needless deaths by their parents.  Would you state that 
this homicidal action is NOt representative of true Islam?  Your 
bashing of the Israelis is, to say the least, biased beyond 
validity.  Your third point is a farce: if Osama bin Deathmonger 
were truly trying to attack my government, why did he murder 
3,000 innocent civilians?  Your fourth point has me laughing: if 
Osama is the most effective politician in the Mideast, why is he 
hiding like a coward?  A true leader would lead, NOT live like a 
cave man!  Your fifth point has me wondering if you've ever even 
SEEN Columbus, Ga.  Taking a shortcut to your seventh point (and 
showing you a little mercy), terrorism can and WIll be defeated; 
it is common knoweledge that Osama and Saddam are two of the most 
hated men in the entire Middle East!  The bottom line is this: we 
don't buy your propaganda.  YOU HAVE FAILED!!!    

Oh, by the way, terrorists will not negotiate when they have an 
agenda to murder people in the name of religion.  Any true Brit 
has enough sense to understand that simple point.  As you reek of 
a person who lives in Britain (London, is it?), but who has an 
agenda to spread the lies of EXTREMIST Islam, and not what most 
Muslims would ever do, I suspect that you're an extremist who 
wants to overthrow the English government and replace it with 
your extremist, anti-Western views.  Am I close?          

First you state that Islam in its purest form is the perfect 
religion,then you go on to state that no one practices it.


Islam was the first religion on a legal basis to treat women as 
equals to men, giving them the right to divorce which is not 
granted by any other religion.__________________________________

 This is a joke right?Mohammad having sex with a child......is 
that part of the Islam ERA?(the rape of children as well as adult 
women...so that no one feels"left out"?)

Let's face it:Muslims and Christians can't stand each other,and 
the only reason the Muslims have not attacked before is because 
we have the weapons of mass destruction in OUR hands,and while 
terrorists can kill a few thousand at a time,we can take out 
hundreds of thousands at a stroke,so as you face Mecca one of 
these evenings,you might want to thank Allah that we haven't 
decided to declare OUR jihad.

Believe it or not, I can read. That being the case, I picked up 
some pamhplets on the subject at hand at a local Mosque. Not 
surprisingly I was asked a lot of questions I bullshitted my way 
thru. Low and behold, they spout watered down versions of your 
rhetoric.

Now its my turn to ask if YOU can read! I specifically asked the 
question (condensed version): Where is the Muslim OUTRAGE at 
those fellow Muslims that commit terrorist acts in the name of 
Allah and Islam? IF a Christian group of simple boy scouts spray 
painted graffiti on a building and were caught, they would be 
catch more hell than the Muslim world gives the terrorists. I 
think I know why, and you may very well KNOW why!

Why the US didn't take Germany, Italy, Nothern Africa and Japan 
as states of the US during the second world war is beyond me. If 
we owned all that sand nigger territory, we'd have all the oil 
we could ever need and there would be none of this muslim SHIT 
because they'd be US christian citizens.

We saved these peoples asses in the second world war, we put the 
lives of our men on the lines, so we should by natural right 
have these territories under the US flag. If we had done the 
right thing in the first place, the commies and China would 
never have been a threat.

We should have taken France, for that matter.

Saddam Hussein is Yazidi.  Beware!        

Which Christian cleric told you this rubbish!!!

or did you make it up??? - you DID didn't you.

Well you've made yourself look like an idiot and that is all
best regards.

P.S. get a life 

I've been to many mosques in 3 different continents, met 
hundreds of Muslims and I have'nt yet heard this so called 
terrorist rhetoric??, your not telling fibs are you??

The guy who heads the extreemist religious group in the UK was 
chucked out on to the street after he started preaching 
terrorist rhetoric now he preaches litterally on the street to 
a massive crowd of 5 (yes five) people.

There are 1400 mosques in the UK 2 of these perphaps are being 
used by extreemists similarly there are also 2 churches in the 
UK that have been overun by the KKK.  Therefore according to 
your logic all Christians are members of the KKK, I have to 
disagree, also you'll find that there are much, much, much, 
much more churches overun by the KKK in the good old US of A.

I don't know what your on, but I wouldn't mind some, whatever 
it is.

Yes I agree with your assesment of Saddam Hussein, I don't need 
to explain to you who George Bush is this is also the case for 
Saddam Hussein.  He used biological weapons on his own people 
and promptly within 1 year after this was given a 
$3 Billion income from the US state department, but lets not go 
into that??? 

The US has dropped the equivalant to 7.5 times the number of 
munitions that were dropped on Hiroshima, Japan - on Iraq.  
130,000 people have been killed in the bombing which even until 
today terrorises the population.  Every town, city and nomadic 
group in Iraq was bombed.  As well as schools, hospitals, 
churches, mosques.  Then there was the U.S. SANCTIONS which 
left 1.5 Million YES 1.5 MILLLION of Iraq's poorest children 
starved to DEATH in their own homes, I can understand therefore 
why you are so proud to be American!!! or perhaps not.  Anyway 
Bush is going back into Iraq, after crippling the Iraqi army 
for a generation, while the time frame of opportunity is there 
to finish the Genocide his father started in Iraq, and secure 
himself as the "President" more technically proficient would be 
the term "Dictator", but again lets not go into that!, but also 
the grandious title - "Pharoah of Iraq."  

TO THE MUSLIM READERS:

Make no mistake about it. You are nothing but a prisoner!  You 
don't have the freedom to leave Islam even if you had the 
dignity, integrity and self-respect to do so.  Do you know that 
your prayers go unanswered?  Do you know that strapping dynamite 
to your chest or on to the chest of your 12 year old son will 
send neither of you to Paradise to hump an endless stream of 
virgins?  All the bogus promises of an Islamic Heaven filled 
with young virgins (both little girls AND little boys) should be 
an insult to any sane human intelligence.  By the way, when was 
the last time an Islamic cleric, mullah, Grand Mufti or a fat 
pedophile like Arafat ever volunteered to blow HIMSELF up?  
Believe me, THEY are a lot smarter than you!!!

Do you realize that your Islamic cult's ONLY enduring claim to 
fame is prefaced upon the utter injustice to others who do not 
share its Islamic cultist beliefs?  The cult you worship was a 
cult created by the psychopathic pedaphile "Mohammed" and spread 
in all directions by his gangs of like-minded freaks bent on 
plunder, murder, vandalism, mayhem, rape and pillage.  And this 
is the same fate awaiting those few non-Muslims unfortunate 
enough to still reside in areas under Islamic control today!  
Such is the sad state of affairs in ALL Islamic-dominated 
lands.  Is THIS what makes you a proud Muslim? 

 
Look around you... 

 ... which of the forty or so Islamic nations do you most 
admire? Are there ANY without abject poverty, utter devastation, 
endemic corruption, extreme economic inequities and grotesque 
injustices? And what would ANY of them be if it were not for all 
the oil lying beneath them... oil discovered by others, pumped 
out by others and transported out by others! 

The fact is that NON-Muslims live far better in this world and 
certainly enjoy infinitely more physical, emotional and 
spiritual freedoms!  Even your enemy, Israel... despite all your 
vicious attempts to terrorize her, to have the world boycott her 
and to pressure the stinking U.N. to isolate her... has a far 
higher standard of living and a more vibrant society and 
lifestyle. The misery of the Arab peoples, which remain 
disproportionately illiterate, jobless and illiterate, is not 
the fault of any Westerner (and certainly not Israel)... but 
rather the doing of their own unelected leaders who have 
squandered the vast mineral and oil riches within which their 
lands have been blessed.  You praise Allah for this? 

Simply put... If you had the ability to un-clog your brainwashed 
minds, you would acknowledge the Truth that Islam IS definitely 
the worse form of racism and fast becoming synonymous 
with "terrorism" itself!  And terrorized are YOU too and you 
will  continue to be terrorized for the rest of your miserable 
blind existence... unless you face this reality.

What you say is true, but only to those who use religious 
sources outside the Quran, which condemns all acts of tranny, 
oppression and aggression and advocates 1) absolute Freedom of 
religion, 2) Gauranteed Human Rights, 3) Freedom of speech and 
Expression, 4) freedom to trade, 5) freedom to travel.  If 
God's laws are violated then well you can see the result.

What you say about the Middle East and its leaders and the 
tyrannical scholars is also true but the leaders of these 
countries are illegitamate regimes proped up by Washington.

Israel is to blame for some of the situation in the Middle East 
it IS a neo-Facist, Aparteid state, run by a genocidal mass 
murderer General Arial Sharon.  Its army according to 20,000 
Israelis who protested against it accusing it of being "a 
terrorist organisation."  If you are a Jew you automatically 
gain a Israeli passport, some Jews do not accept it because 
they are ashamed of what Israel has become i.e. a state that 
Hitler would have been proud of.  The Israeli cabinet spends 
most of its time figuring out new ways to ethnically cleanse 
the Palestinians saying that they are "like cockloaches in a 
jar" and "Animals that walk on two legs."  The chief Rabi in 
Israel has said that "the Gehym (non-Jewish) should be removed 
from Israel" or as I would put it ethnically cleansed.

I think the targeting of innocent civilians and suicide 
bombings which are both condemned in the Quran are the reason 
why a mere 3 Million Jews continuously defeat 150 Million 
Muslims, aside from the fact that I think most Muslims are 
idolworshipers for various reasons.

The "Talmud" which is what I, and even some Jews call Jewish 
Supremist Hate literature is law in Israel.  Basically it says 
that you don't have to be fair when dealing with non-Jews and 
it is not a sinfull act to kill non-Jews!!!  

PERHAPS ITS TIME YOU WOKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE YOURSELF??? 

Wow! That was some B.S. filled hissy-fit you thru about Iraq 
above. 130,000 killed in 10 years of allied bombing? Please 
think before you post such imbacilic rehtoric! It would take a 
LOT of bombing in ten years to hit that number, not the self-
defence air-strikes in the no-fly zones. By the way, the most 
recent air-strikes are purposefull. Scratch one Chinese silkworm 
missle battery and scratch several Iraqi military 
command/control and communication facilities. Its called 
clearing the path! A path on which democracy and freedom will be 
delivered to the Iraqi people. A path that will deliver the 
needed medicines and food that Saddam's regime withholds from 
those who dare step out of line with the dictator. Yes, Saddam 
is a dictator, Iraq has no presidential elections. The stupitity 
of calling George Bush a dictator speaks volumes about the level 
of indoctrination you have recieved. Now Clinton was a real Dick 
w/o the tator! Every 4 years an election is held in the U.S.A. 
to choose a president, explain where you read dictator into that.

The U.S. has 1 Whitehouse for the president. Saddam has 21 
elaboratly decorated palaces and will spend Iraqs last dime to 
aquire weapons to enhance the effects of the Viagra he needs. I 
highly doubt this escapes the attention of ALL the Iraqi people! 
In fact I would bet they are damn sick of seeing his big fuckin' 
head plastered on every building. The deal is done, Saddam's 
version of Iraq is toast. Only the cooperating with the U.N. can 
save his worthless ass now, maybe. Iran seems to be changing for 
the better of their own accord and will be happy to see Saddam & 
sons go the way of the dinosour.

Every town, city and nomadic group in Iraq was bombed.  As well 
as schools, hospitals,  churches, mosques.  Then there was the 
U.S. SANCTIONS which left 1.5 Million YES 1.5 MILLLION of Iraq's 
poorest children starved to DEATH in their own homes,____________

 WOW!The really STRANGE part about your"facts"is that,while 
U.S.sanctions have made it so that no medicine or hospital 
supplies have been able to enter Iraq,Saddam has been able to 
sneak in enough weapons to re-arm his country!Let's see.....he 
can't sneak any boxes of medicine in,but a tank is no problem?
OK damn.......how about putting a few boxes of medical supplies 
IN the tanks when they ship them in?Too much trouble?Hmmmn....
 Let's try to figure this........well......on the one hand Saddam 
 can't come up with a plan to supply hospitals....but on the 
other......he HAS found the time to write two 
books!WOW!!!TWO!!!Probably been to busy with rewrites to help the 
citizens of Iraq out much.........
 Yep,it's hard to worry very much about feeding people,and their 
children's health,when you've got much bigger problems to worry 
about:like buying tanks and anti-aircraft guns,and of course book 
publishing rights.

I am bursting with laughter here....the 2 books were 'romantic 
novels'! And *Saddman* even had time...LOL....to write a 
freekin' play~! And EVERYONE LOVED IT!! Two thumbs up all 
around! Imagine that!! All this fun while Iraqi babies are 
dieing, at the hand of U.S.?? sanctions! Its funny how a N can 
be easily converted to a S when its convienent to do so.

"Every town, city and nomadic group in Iraq was bombed.
As well as schools, hospitals,  churches, mosques".
------------------------------

HAHAHAH....IM STILL LAUGHING....SORRY TO POST AGAIN SO SOON......
BUT YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THE "BABY MILK FACTORY"!!!!

whats the big deal here life? what r u sayin? ~ sry i didnt get 
it all...(ima lil slow :: but i do see every1 is against u ~ so 
uh whats the prob ~ mayb i can help) :) HoLLa

Perhaps you can spread the "good word" of Sodom Hussein to the 
Kurds in the north.  You know, the ones he gasses and murders.  
It is time for Muslims everywhere to rise against Saddam and 
Osama, as well as those so-called Muslims in the Sudan who have 
murdered Christians- murdered them just because they refused to 
convert to Islam!  I appeal to you: where is the Muslim outrage 
over these atrocities?                  

Step aside. This may get ugly. LOL!!!!!!!!

Baby Milk Factory!!! LOL!!! I forgot about THAT one!
How could SOME people(ie.low-life for one) believe that poor Iraq 
can't buy demselves no food,but at the same time forget about the 
$25,000 checks to PLO families.

If you are a Jew you automatically gain a Israeli passport, some 
Jews do not accept it because  they are ashamed of what Israel 
has become i.e. a state that Hitler would have been proud of.    
 _______________________________________________________________

 Israel has become a state that Hitler would have been proud of.
          Let me repeat once again what you said,
 Israel has become a state that Hitler would have been proud of.

 Nevermind.Get out your little mat.Face Mecca.Bang your head on 
the floor 5 times.There you go.

 

 

Why don't you tell the Kurds yourself you're the ones who fund 
it.  I ONLY EVER USE IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

Didn't Hitler support neo-facist regimes well theres one is 
Israel now, and I think he would be surprised that after the 
Jews have told the world about the lessons to be learnt from 
the Halocaust they haven't learned anything from it 
themselves!!!

Muslims are outraged at the atrocities of Sadam Hussein, and 
ALL those you mentioned, I don't think you understand so I'll 
spell it out for you IF SADDAM ASKS YOU TO JUMP - YOU ASK HOW 
HIGH???, anything else will result in immediant EXECUTION.  
Saddam recently held a presidential election in Iraq where he 
got 99.9% of the vote, those 40 people who were blind enough or 
stupid enough to put the vote in the wrong ballot box were 
gunned down instantly!!!

Why after the equivalant of 7.5 atomic bomb drops on Iraq are 
you still trying to get Saddam Hussein? How did you let Osama 
Bin Laden get away, Hell, Mullah Omar got away from the 
Northern Alliance and from the US airforce on a Vespa Moped?

WHY WHEN I CONDEMN HUSSEIN, DO YOU THINK I SUPPORT HIM?
WHY WHEN I CONDEMN ACTS OF TRANNY, OPRESSION & AGRESSION, DO 
YOU THINK I SUPPORT THEM?
WHY WHEN I CONDEMN TERRORISM DO YOU THINK I AM A TERRORIST?

Are you ALL insane OR just STUPID?

Yes I do pray 5 times a day preserving the ancient rites of the 
Prophet Abraham (1) Monethisitic belief (2) the contact prayer, 
(3) fasting during the 9th lunar month, (4) giving obligatory 
charity @ 2.5% of regular income, (5) Hajj - pilgrimage to 
Mecca to comemorate the Prophet Abraham's exemplory submission 
to the will of GOD ALONE, which were practised by ALL the 
prophets of Israel and by JESUS.  Contempory and Samaritan Jews 
pray nearly in identical fashion but only on "special" 
occaisions.  Why is there a reference to Hajj in the 84 psalm, 
why is Mohammad mentioned in the Bible (only in the Hebrew 
versions OF COURSE!!! I can give you the 
translitteration "HICCO MEMITO KIM VIE KULU MOHAMMAD IM ZE DO 
DEE WA ZERHEE BAYNA JERUSALEM" = "oh yea he is so sweet his 
name is Mohammad and he is my friend oh daugthers of 
Jerusalem), this can be found in the Song of Soloman [damn I 
had to loose the reference didn't I].  In fact the leading 
Rabbis in the world went to see the Sultan of Qatar (who 
apparently represents 1 billion Muslims [first time I've heard 
of him, nor can I remember voting for him]) and they said "it 
was obvious the Quran is from God" all Jews would convert to 
Islam if all the bad things written about Jews in the Quran 
were removed such as 1) the Jews constantly defied Gods 
commands 2) they gave back handers to change the Torah (in fact 
the verse in the OT saying that Jesus was to be the next 
prophet to come was removed 100 years before the birth of Jesus 
by Jews who still regard Jesus as a Mad man, this is also what 
ironically Christians think of Mohammad even though all Muslims 
believe in Jesus!!! 

The Revised Version of the Bible, which is the MOST ACCURATE 
Bible in the world, translated by 32 SCHOLARS OF THE HIGHEST 
EMINENCE from the MOST ANCIENT SCRIPTURES, backed by FIFTY-TWO 
DENOMINATIONS of the Christian Church cannot be found in any 
church.  

Because it takes out what is in error-ridden Bibles such as the 
ubiqutous King James version that it replaces! 50,000 errors 
were discovered in the King James version of the Bible, 
including the verse of the TRINITY, JESUS'S ACSENTION INTO 
HEAVEN, JESUS BEING THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD [God forgive me for 
such blashpheme].  Which makes Christianity redundant and 
supports the view that has been represented in the Quran for 
1400 years, which the Christians have been mocking.

Thats not to mention that Christianity is the religion of John 
NOT Jesus (who claimed to be the son of man and said "worship 
my Lord and your Lord! [this is also mentioned in the Quran]).  
Wait! it gets better John was born 150 years after Jesus, so 
how can he author the Gospel, which was meant to be delieved by 
Jesus?, Luke says "I have seen some things written for some 
time past, so I thought I would write an orderly account for 
you most excellent Theophellis" i.e. he was writting a 
biography of Jesus he DID NOT claim to be inspired.  Matthew 
and Luke 85% of what they wrote they copied Mark who was 
according to all accounts a 14 year old boy who wasn't there!!! 
if that makes any sense to you then please all answers in on a 
post card.  There is are 32 Gospels the 4 that have been chosen 
were the "best fit" for the policies of the Pope at the time!

Churches were INVENTED in 200 A.D. and the doctorine of the 
trinity was INVENTED in 325 A.D. by the Greeks who had a thing 
for trident Gods, So did the Iranis who at the time believed in 
Mythra who was born like a human died as a sacrafice to forgive 
the sins who believed in him and was born on 25th of December?

The REAL Christians at the time like the 7 sleepers of Ephesus 
(who believed that Jesus was a phrophet of God) were running 
away from the NEO-Christians who promoted the Trinity, anyone 
who didn't comply was litterally pushed of the edge of a cliff? 
at this point in Christianity 50% of people the "Christians" 
believed that Jesus was a prophet and usually met a gruesome 
end, thanks to the "NEO-Christians" who promulgated that "Jesus 
was the Son of God. [God forgive my blaspheme]"

The view that "Jesus was the Son of God" is denied by the 
revised version of the Bible which was originally printed in 
the 1930's.  Unfortuantly 32 scholars of the highest eminence 
DO NOT come cheap therefore because the missionaries didn't 
have a conversion line i.e. "Jesus died for your sins", perhaps 
most people would think that they would be more worried about 
the fact that their religion doesn't technically exist 
according to Jesus's quotes in the Bible or by the RSV of the 
Bible itself!!! BUT NO, instead they demanded that the verse of 
the ascention be put back into the bible so that the publishers 
could make a killing.  So in 1972 the verse of the ascention 
was put back into the Bible, sure it was an innovation, an 
error that had been made up, but hey come on the publishers 
made a buck to 2 didn't they, good for the economy if not 
anything else!

As for Islam, 44 I have given you enough information about 
Islam so much so in fact that you probably know more about the 
current issues with regard to Islam than the top "Scholars" in 
Iran! so decide for yourself what is Islamic and what isn't, 
God in the Quran also condemns all bad behaviour? 

My brother has Just asked me "why are you talking to these 
people?" I have to say he has a point, Goodbye and have a nice 
summer!  

Thanks be to your brother!
Your"wisdom"leads me to believe your culture has yet to discover 
fire,or the wheel.
 I must thank you for your words,I understand a little better now 
why your brothers in Islam spend so much time in caves.

i will stay out...







but aint those "new" bibles a bunch of crap?? 









man this is a bunch of crap ~ i wish my bro would ask me y i was 
talkin to yall... ~ i'd  say ~ it's FuN !! hehe Holla 














Islam ~ Crazy???

hey i just read tha first message like i said ~ ima LIL slow ~ 
is he sayin USA is to blame for 911???!!! aw man dont MAKE me 
get in this LIL boy!!

If america are no.1 then how come your goverment had warnings of 
terrorist attacks and done nothing except put the cittizens in 
danger as a result of not taking any notice.You americans that 
you are the rulers of the world but yet you were defeated by one 
of the poor countries, that shows how strong your country is. 

You all think the world is made up of just your country well you 
are wrong and u are all (americans)doing my fucking head in,u 
keep sayin that you are all the best and that nobody in the 
world could beat you thats why the whole of your country was so 
shocked at 9/11 you were finally beaten when you least 
expected.i thought i hated America but after what happened on 
9/11 i realised why it happened but you dont.It is the way you 
all think that your country was the first one on the world and 
you think that you the unbeatable although i dont adore your 
country i dont want your country or any other country to go 
through what yours went through on 9/11,but if you keep acting 
the way you ALL have since 9/11 you will be left with more 
people hating your country than standing by it.
 

Just so you know, you mouthy little asshole, I really don't 
give a shit whether you love us or not.  I like Britain because 
it is free enough to tolerate even useless little shits like you.  
I believe in my country (U.S.A.).  I'm both thankful for and 
proud of it.  The fact that you can't have your way by making us 
hate ourselves only proves what an immature little brat you are.  
Perhaps it's time for mummy to powder your butt, mate.       

man, dont be jealous that you're not as good as us...we are 
without one selfish doubt no.1 and u adn ur lil "they think they 
r better and kno it but i wont ever let em think that" country 
can kiss my pretty white ass ~ 

YES WE HAVE MADE MISTAKES BUT THATS OUR FAULT STAY THA FUCK 
OUTTA IT ~ 

we were n danger?? LoL i didnt kno...wow...an attack...we all 
gone die...we werent defeated honey...it was a slight mistake 
planned by God to get us on the right track...Amen...we NEEDED 
it...cuz now, everybody gone be talkin bout how weak we r :: 
perfect example :: and we gone start kickin ass like we ALWAYS 
do...we aint weak but we aint stronger than God's work...which 
is awsome... :D ...





we were shocked yes ~ but it could have happened ne~where ~ and 
just becuz it happened here doesnt mean u could rag...u kno we 
help every1 out and NO ONE is there for us...ya kno that?? i 
mean if it would have been u AMERICA would have been the FIRST 
to step in to help! so take ur lil sorry ass on....


~~~~~ ~ ~ !~~ ~~ WE ACT LIKE WE ALL THAT CUZ WE R ~ WE ARE FIRST 
TO HELP PEOPLE ~ YET NO ONE THINKS HIGHLY ENOUGH OF US TO 
REALIZE THAT...THAT IS SAD! ~ ! I MEAN GEZ, IF AMERICA WOULDNT 
HAVE HELPED IN A LOT OF THIS WARS IN THE PAST...TELLINGS WHAT 
YOU'D BE IN NOW U LIL TRAMP IN A LAMP!!!  SO STOP ACTIN LIKE WE 
ALL BAD...AND GIVE SOME FUCKIN RESPECT...CUZ U TAKE OUR GOOD PUT 
IT AGAINST OUR MISTAKES...U'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN... ~ ~~ ~ ~~ 







BY THE WAY WAT GOOD R U?







                   WE'LL HoLLa

why is every one so upset on this board?
whats the big fuckin deal?
some of you are sayin that America is the greatest, some say 
that America sucks.
its pretty obvious that the Americans arn't going to be 
convinced no matter how good the argument, look at their biased 
news service, patriotism is forced down their throats from day 
one.  the majority of Americans have a worped world view, that 
is clear from the hateful comments on this board.

you dont like Osoma, cool not many people do, but how does this 
hate translate into hate for islam or arabs?

you believe your war against Iraq is to 'free' the people, thats 
not true your going to war for oil and to support America's neo 
colonial policies.

Islamic defenders, why do u give a fuck wot these hicks have to 
say, remember they may talk about crimes  by your religion over 
the centuries, but they dont even know about the terrible acts 
of Christian people and governements for over 2000 years.

ignorance is the cause of hate, and hate is why America has 
caused so much woe on other nations, and why so much woe has 
been done to it.

So, did you want to vent your frustrations on the board, or 
display your histrionic tendencies?  Your disdain for America is 
worth exactly what it costs: nothing.                    

no i just wanted to see if id get a reply, i was bored and dont 
really care that much

wanted a reply ~ GoT iT :: 






WhOa ~ i NEVER said nething about Islamic poeple ~ i could care 
less about who follows what religion...(they've been told the 
truth whether they follow it or not) America did have a fucked 
up gov. yes...and still does i guess ~ but its gonna get better 
(UNLESS God dont want it to...) OIL!!! we have said we didNT 
want to go to war becuz of oil...did we not Mrs. Greer?? ~ ThAnK 
yOu...and you actin like Americans aint got no right to be 
pissed...well FUCK that...i believe there ARE PLENTY of other 
countries out there speakin on this board in a rude way....~ 
URSELF INCLUDED ~ AND ME :: NO DOUBT :: 


look at you...talkin to us like u kno everything about us...u 
see me dissin u ~cept bout wat u have SAID??~ NaW ~
HICKS!!! HE SAID HICKS!!!!! HE MUST KNOW ABOUT WE ON DA 
SOUTHSIDE 4SHO ~ HONEY...HICK AINT NOTHIN BAD...I MEAN IF IT WAS 
WOULD I CALL MYSELF A COUNTRY HICK?? LAWD NAW...so hush lil baby 
go suck a dick...

u said sumthing like Christians and gov...right?? ~ well NOT ALL 
AMERICANS are Christians...most of them prob dont give a 
fuck....beina "Christian" ~ wit my own views of my religion ~ 
that pissed me off too...those people who r doin those so called 
bad things arent Christians...they may claim to be but they 
aint....

ignorance...such a harsh word when used incorrectly


                    IMA B OUT NOW
                       !HOLLA!

Yeah...                  

I almost agree with me, whether he cares or not. You want 
to talk about it?

naw

What, specifically, do you almost agree with?                    

I agree with everything exept that i do consider it as a big 
deal and i don't want to generalize Americand just like any 
other kind of poeple. i met a friendly one today on my way to 
school who thinks different tha some of the people i hear on 
this board

hmmm iam really a nice person believe it or not...voted shiest 4 
6 yrs!! wont hear it much but....sry

in the first message it says "have it your way" i 
thought... ::this isnt burger king::

Not everyone in the U.S. is a hate-monger.  Not all of us are 
rednecks who scream racial epithets just to be heard.  In WWII, 
Germany's propaganda people told the German people and their 
military that the Americans were all a bunch of gum-chewing 
gangsters from places like Chicago.  Most Americans don't hate 
people from the middle east EXCEPT for those who commit acts of 
terror, or who support such acts.                     

I'm not an German so what do i have to do with that?

U.S. War Crimes in Iraq

A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the 
Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal

By Ramsey Clark and Others
 
Index of Crimes
The United States engaged in a pattern of conduct beginning in 
or before 1989 intended to lead Iraq into provocations 
justifying U.S. military action against Iraq and permanent U.S. 
military domination of the Gulf. 
President Bush from August 2, 1990 intended and acted to 
prevent any interference with his plan to destroy Iraq 
economically and militarily. 
President Bush ordered the destruction of facilities essential 
to civilian life and economic productivity throughout Iraq. 
The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed civilian 
life, commercial and business districts, schools, hospitals, 
mosques, churches, shelters, residential areas, historical 
sites, private vehicles and civilian government offices. 
The United States intentionally bombed indiscriminately 
throughout Iraq. 
The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed Iraqi 
military personnel, used excessive force, killed soldiers 
seeking to surrender and in disorganised individual flight, 
often unarmed and far from any combat zones and randomly and 
wantonly killed Iraqi soldiers and destroyed materiel after the 
cease fire.
The United States used prohibited weapons capable of mass 
destruction and inflicting indiscriminate death and unnecessary 
suffering against both military and civilian targets. 
The United States intentionally attacked installations in Iraq 
containing dangerous substances and forces. 
President Bush ordered U.S. forces to invade Panama, resulting 
in the deaths of 1,000 to 4,000 Panamanians and the destruction 
of thousands of private dwellings, public buildings, and 
commercial structures. 
President Bush obstructed justice and corrupted United Nations 
functions as a means of securing power to commit crimes against 
peace and war crimes. 
President Bush usurped the Constitutional power of Congress as 
a means of securing power to commit crimes against peace, war 
crimes, and other high crimes. 
The United States waged war on the environment. 
President Bush encouraged and aided Shiite Muslims and Kurds to 
rebel against the government of Iraq causing fratricidal 
violence, emigration, exposure, hunger and sickness and 
thousands of deaths. After the rebellion failed, the U.S. 
invaded and occupied parts of Iraq without authority in order 
to increase division and hostility within Iraq. 
President Bush intentionally deprived the Iraqi people of 
essential medicines, potable water, food, and other 
necessities. 
The United States continued its assault on Iraq after the cease 
fire, invading and occupying areas at will. 
The United States has violated and condoned violations of human 
rights, civil liberties and the U.S. Bill of Rights in the 
United States, in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere to achieve 
its purpose of military domination. 
The United States, having destroyed Iraq's economic base, 
demands reparations, which will permanently impoverish Iraq and 
threaten its people with famine and epidemic.
 
President Bush systematically manipulated, controlled, 
directed, misinformed and restricted press and media coverage 
to obtain constant support in the media for his military and 
political goals. 
The United States has by force secured a permanent military 
presence in the Gulf, the control of its oil resources and 
geopolitical domination of the Arabian Peninsula and Gulf 
region. 
 
Initial Complaint 
Charging
George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker, 
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell, 
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named 
With 
Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.

Final Judgement:
International War Crimes Tribunal
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal, meeting 
in New York, have carefully considered the Initial Complaint of 
the Commission of Inquiry dated May 6, 1991 against President 
George H. W. Bush, Vice President J. Danforth Quayle, Secretary 
of Defense Richard Cheney, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf Commander of 
the Allied Forces in the Persian Gulf, and others named in the 
Complaint charging them with nineteen separate crimes against 
peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity in violation of 
the Charter of the United Nations, the 1949 Geneva Conventions, 
the First Protocol thereto, and other international agreements 
and customary international law: 
having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit 
in judgement regarding violations of international humanitarian 
law; 
having heard the testimony from various Commissions of Inquiry 
hearings held within their own countries and/or elsewhere 
during the past year and having received reports from numerous 
other Commission hearings which recite the evidence there 
gathered; 
having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness 
statements, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert 
analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Commission; 
having access to all evidence, knowledge, and expert opinion in 
the Commission files or available to the Commission; 
having been provided by the Commission, or elsewhere obtained, 
various books, articles, and other written materials on various 
aspects of events and conditions in the Persian Gulf and 
military and arms establishments; 
having considered newspaper coverage, magazine and periodical 
reports, special publications, T.V., radio, and other media 
coverage and public statements by the accused, other public 
officials and other public materials; 
having heard the presentations of the Commission of Inquiry in 
public hearing on February 29, 1992, the testimony and evidence 
there presented; and having met, considered and deliberated 
with each other and with Commission staff and having considered 
all the evidence that is relevant to the nineteen charges of 
criminal conduct alleged in the Initial Complaint make the 
following findings. 
Findings
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each 
of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence 
against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in 
the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to 
have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt. 
The members believe that it is imperative if there is ever to 
be peace that power be accountable for its criminal acts and we 
condemn in the strongest possible terms those found guilty of 
the charges herein. We urge the Commission of Inquiry and all 
people to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to 
hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which 
lasting peace must be based. 
Recommendations
The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, 
sanctions and penalties against Iraq because they constitute a 
continuing crime against humanity. 
The Members urge public action to prevent new aggressions by 
the United States threatened against Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Haiti, 
North Korea, Pakistan and other countries and the Palestine 
people; fullest condemnation of any threat or use of military 
technology against life, both civilian and military, as was 
used by the United States against the people of Iraq. 
The Members urge that the power of the United Nations Security 
Council, which was blatantly manipulated by the U.S. to 
authorise illegal military action and sanctions, be vested in 
the General Assembly; that all permanent members be removed and 
that the right of veto be eliminated as undemocratic and 
contrary to the basic principles of the U.N. Charter. 
The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent 
preservation of the reports, evidence, and materials gathered 
to make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide 
the widest possible distribution of the truth about the U.S. 
assault on Iraq. 
Charges of Other Countries
In accordance with the last paragraph of the Initial Complaint 
designated Scope of Inquiry, the Commission has gathered 
substantial evidence of criminal acts by governments and 
individual officials in addition to those formally presented 
here. Formal charges have been drafted by some Commissions of 
Inquiry against other governments in addition to the United 
States. Those charges have not been acted upon here. The 
Commission of Inquiry or any of its national components may 
choose to pursue such other charges at some future time. The 
Members urge all involved to exert their utmost effort to 
prevent recurrences of violations by other governments that 
were not considered here. 
Done in New York this 29th day of February, 1992. 
(signed) 
Olga Mejia, Panama 
President of the National Human Rights Commission in Panama, a 
non-governmental body representing peasants' organisations, 
urban trade unions, women's groups and others. 
  
Sheik Mohamed Rashid, Pakistan 
Former deputy prime minister. Long-term political prisoner 
during the struggle against British colonialism and activist 
for workers' and peasants' rights. 
  
Dr. Haluk Gerger, Turkey 
Founding member of Turkish Human Rights Association and 
professor of political science. Dismissed from Ankara 
University by military government. 
  
Susumu Ozaki, Japan 
Former judge and pro-labour attorney imprisoned 1934-1938 for 
violating Security Law under militarist government for opposing 
Japan's invasion of China. 
  
Michael Ratner, USA 
Attorney, former director of the Centre for Constitutional 
Rights, past president of the National Lawyers Guild. 
  
Lord Tony Gifford, Britain 
Human rights lawyer practising in England and Jamaica. 
Investigated human rights abuses in British-occupied Ireland. 
  
Rene Dumont, France 
Argonomist, ecologist, specialist in agriculture of developing 
countries, author. His 45th book, This War Dishonours Us, 
appears in 1992. 
  
Bassam Haddadin, Jordan 
Member of Parliament, Second Secretary for the Jordanian 
Democratic Peoples Party. Member of Parliamentary Committee on 
Palestine. 
  
Dr. Sherif Hetata, Egypt 
Medical Doctor, author, member of the Central Committee of the 
Arab Progressive Unionist Party. Political prisoner 14 years in 
1950s and 1960s. 
  
Deborah Jackson, USA 
First vice president of the American Association of Jurists, 
former director of National Conference of Black Lawyers. 
  
Opato Matarmah, Menominee Nation of North America 
Involved in defence of human rights of indigenous peoples since 
1981. Represented the International Indian Treaty Council at 
the Commission of Human Rights at the U.N. 
  
Laura Albizu, Campos Meneses, Puerto Rico 
Past President of the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party and 
current Secretary for Foreign Relations. Honorary president of 
Peace Council. 
  
Aisha Nyerere, Tanzania 
Resident Magistrate of the High Court in Arusha, Tanzania. 
Researched the impact of the Gulf war on East Africa. 
  
Peter Leibovtich, Canada 
President of United Steel Workers of America, USWA, Local 8782 
and of the Executive Council of the Ontario Federation of 
Labour. 
  
John Philpot, Quebec 
Attorney, member of Board of Directors of Quebec Movement for 
Sovereignty. Organising Secretary for the American Association 
of Jurist in Canada. 
  
John Jones, USA 
Community leader in the state of New Jersey. Vietnam veteran 
who became leader of movement against U.S. attack on Iraq. 
  
Gloria La Riva, USA 
Founding member of the Farm workers Emergency Relief Committee 
and Emergency Committee to Stop the U.S. War in the Middle East 
in San Francisco. 
  
Key Martin, USA 
Member of Executive Committee of Local 3 of the Newspaper Guild 
in New York. Jailed in 1967 for taking message of Bertrand 
Russell Tribunal on Vietnam to active duty Gls. 
  
Dr. Alfred Mechtersheimer, Germany 
Former member of the Bundestag from the Green Party. Former 
Lieutenant Colonel in the Bundeswher; current peace researcher. 
  
Abderrazak Kilani, Tunisia 
Tunisian Bar Association. Former President, Association of 
Young Lawyers; founding member, National Committee to Lift the 
Embargo from Iraq. 
  
Tan Sri Ahmad Noordin bin Zakaria, Malaysia 
Former Auditor General of Malaysia. Known throughout his 
country for battling corruption in government. 
  
P. S. Poti, India 
Former Chief Justice of the Gujarat High Court. In 1989 elected 
president of the All-India Lawyers Union. 

Copyright   1992 by The Commission of Inquiry for the 
International War Crimes Tribunal 

Korea War Crimes Tribunal Finds U.S. Government Guilty

 

On June 23rd, in New York City, the Korea International War 
Crimes Tribunal condemned the U.S. Government for its crimes 
committed against the people of Korea from 1945-2001. The 
tribunal found the U.S. government guilty on 19 counts of War 
Crimes, Crimes Against Peace, and Crimes Against Humanity for 
its actions in Korea from 1945 to the present. 
The tribunal, which heard testimony from eyewitnesses and 
survivors of massacres carried out by the U.S. military during 
the Korean War (1950-53), was organized by the Korean Truth 
Commission. The commission was formed in May 2000 by 
representatives from both north and south Korea as well as from 
overseas Korean communities. In addition, representatives from 
the U.S. and the 15 other countries, which took part in the war 
of aggression against Korea, took part in the tribunal. 
Participants in the tribunal presented their findings to the 
United Nations in New York on July 24th, and then on the 
following day led a caravan to Washington D.C. for a protest 
rally and march to the White House. 
Below we reprint the final judgement of the tribunal, issued on 
June 23rd. 


THE KOREA INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL
The Final Judgment 


The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal, 
meeting in New York, having considered the Indictment for 
Offenses Committed by the Government of the United States of 
America Against the People of Korea, 1945-2001, which charges 
all U.S. Presidents, all Secretaries of State, all Secretaries 
of Defense, all Secretaries of the armed services, all Chiefs 
of Staff, all heads of the Central Intelligence Agency and 
other U.S. foreign intelligence agencies, all Directors of the 
National Security Agency, all National Security Advisors, all 
U.S. military commanders in Korea and commanders of units which 
participated in war crimes, over the period from 1945 to the 
present, with nineteen separate War Crimes, Crimes Against 
Peace and Crimes Against Humanity in violation of the Charter 
of the United Nations, the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal, 
the Hague Regulations of 1907, the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the 
1929 and 1949 Geneva Conventions, the Convention on the 
Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948, 
other international agreements and customary international law, 
the laws of the United States, the laws of Korea and the laws 
of other nations that have been forced to provide bases, 
support and military personnel for United States actions 
against Korea;


Having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit 
in judgment regarding violations of international humanitarian 
law; 


Having heard the testimony from various hearings of the Korea 
Truth Commission held over the past year and having received 
evidence from various other Commission hearings which recite 
the evidence there gathered; 


Having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness 
testimonies, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert 
analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Korea Truth 
Commission; 


Having access to all evidence, knowledge and expert opinion in 
the Commission files or available to the Commission staff; 


Having considered the Report from the Korean Truth Commission 
(South) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean War, providing 
eyewitness accounts by survivors of massacres of civilians in 
farming villages in southern Korea by U.S. military forces 
during the 1950-53 war; 


Having considered the Report from the Democratic People s 
Republic of Korea (DPRK) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean 
War, prepared by the Investigation Committee of the National 
Front for Democratic Reunification, providing details on war 
crimes and crimes against humanity committed in the north by 
the U.S. from June to December 1950; 


Having been provided by the Commission, or otherwise obtained, 
various books, articles and other written materials on various 
aspects of events and conditions in Korea, and in the military 
and arms establishments; 


Having heard the presentations of the Korea Truth Commission in 
public hearing on June 23, 2001, and the testimony, evidence 
and summaries there presented; 


Having considered the testimonies of those Koreans denied visas 
to personally attend the hearings by the governments of the 
U.S. and the Republic of Korea (ROK), but presented in the form 
of videotaped interviews and documents; 


Having been informed that the Korea Truth Commission gave ample 
opportunity to U.S. government defendants to attend and present 
evidence in their defense, which up to the moment of this 
verdict they have been unable or unwilling to do; and 


Having met, considered and deliberated with each other and with 
Commission staff and having considered all the evidence that is 
relevant to the nineteen charges of criminal conduct alleged in 
the Initial Complaint, make the following Findings: 

The Members of the International War Crimes Tribunal find the 
accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them: each 
of the nineteen separate crimes alleged in the Initial 
Complaint has been established to have been committed beyond a 
reasonable doubt. The Members find these crimes to have 
occurred during three main periods in the U.S. intervention in 
and occupation of Korea.

The best-known period is from June 25, 1950, until July 27, 
1953, the "Korean War," when over 4.6 million Koreans perished, 
according to conservative Western estimates, including 3 
million civilians in the north and 500,000 civilians in the 
south. The evidence of U.S. war crimes presented to this 
Tribunal included eyewitness testimony and documentary accounts 
of massacres of thousands of civilians in southern Korea by 
U.S. military forces during the war. 
Abundant evidence was also presented concerning criminal and 
even genocidal U.S. conduct in northern Korea, including the 
systematic leveling of most buildings and dwellings by U.S. 
artillery and aerial bombardment; widespread atrocities 
committed by U.S. and R.O.K. forces against civilians and 
prisoners of war; the deliberate destruction of facilities 
essential to civilian life and economic production; and the use 
of illegal weapons and biological and chemical warfare by the 
U.S. against the people and the environment of northern Korea. 
Documentary and eyewitness evidence was also presented showing 
gross and systematic violence committed against women in 
northern and southern Korea, characterized by mass rapes, 
sexual assaults and murders.

Less known but of crucial importance in understanding the war 
period is the preceding five years, from the landing of U.S. 
troops in Korea on September 8, 1945, to the outbreak of the 
war. The Members of the Tribunal examined extensive evidence of 
U.S. crimes against peace and crimes against humanity in this 
period. 
The Members conclude that the U.S. government acted to divide 
Korea against the will of the vast majority of the people, 
limit its sovereignty, create a police state in southern Korea 
using many former collaborators with Japanese rule, and provoke 
tension and threats between southern and northern Korea, 
opposing and disrupting any plans for peaceful reunification. 

In this period the U.S. trained, directed and supported the ROK 
in systematic murder, imprisonment, torture, surveillance, 
harassment and violations of human rights of hundreds of 
thousands of people, especially of those individuals or groups 
considered nationalists, leftists, peasants seeking land 
reform, union organizers and/or those sympathetic to the north.

The Members find that in the period from July 1953 to the 
present, the U.S. has continued to maintain a powerful military 
force in southern Korea, backed by nuclear weapons, in 
violation of international law and intended to obstruct the 
will of the Korean people for reunification. 
Military occupation has been accompanied by the organized 
sexual exploitation of Korean women, frequently leading to 
violence and even murder of women by U.S. soldiers who have 
felt above the law. U.S.-imposed economic sanctions have 
impoverished and debilitated the people of northern Korea, 
leading to a reduction of life expectancy, widespread 
malnutrition and even starvation in a country that once 
exported food. 

The refusal of the U.S. government to grant visas to a 
delegation from the Democratic People s Republic of Korea who 
planned to attend this Tribunal only confirms the criminal 
intent of the defendants to isolate those whom they have abused 
to prevent them from telling their story to the world. In all 
these 55 years, the U.S. government has systematically 
manipulated, controlled, directed, misinformed and restricted 
press and media coverage to obtain consistent support for its 
military intervention, occupation and crimes against the people 
of Korea. It has also inculcated racist attitudes within the 
U.S. troops and general population that prepared them to commit 
and/or accept atrocities and genocidal policies against the 
Korean people.

It has violated the Constitution of the United States, the 
delegation of powers over war and the military, the Bill of 
Rights, the UN Charter, international law and the laws of the 
ROK, DPRK, People s Republic of China, Japan and many others, 
in its lawless determination to exercise its will over the 
Korean peninsula.

The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal hold 
the United States government and its leaders accountable for 
these criminal acts and condemn those found guilty in the 
strongest possible terms. Recommendations:

The Members call for the immediate end of U.S. occupation of 
all Korean territory, the removal of all U.S. bases, forces and 
materiel, including land mines, from the region, the 
rectification of environmental damage, and the cessation of 
overt and covert operations against northern Korea. 

The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, 
sanctions and penalties against northern Korea because they 
constitute a continuing crime against humanity.The Members call 
for emergency funds to be provided to the people of northern 
Korea through the Democratic People s Republic of Korea to feed 
the hungry and care for the sick, whose suffering is a direct 
result of U.S. policies.

The Members call for reparations to be paid by the U.S. 
government to all of Korea to compensate for the damage 
inflicted by 55 years of violence and economic warfare. The 
Members further call for an immediate end to all interference 
by the U.S. aimed at preventing the people of Korea from 
reunifying as they choose.

The Members call for the U.S. government to make full 
disclosure of all information about U.S. crimes and wrongful 
acts committed in Korea since September 7, 1945.

The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent 
preservation of the reports, evidence and materials gathered to 
make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide the 
widest possible distribution of the truth about U.S. crimes in 
Korea. We urge all people of the world to act on 
recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power 
accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace 
must be based. Done in New York this 23rd day of June, 2001.

VIETNAM WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL in to the alleged War Crimes 
ordered by the United States Government

Verdict of the [first] Stockholm Session
The International War Crimes Tribunal, during the session held 
at Stockholm from 2 to 10 May 1967, studied the two following 
questions included in its programme, adopted in London on 15 
November 1966: 

Has the United States Government (and the Governments of 
Australia, New Zealand and South Korea) committed acts of 
aggression according to international law? Has there been 
bombardment of targets of a purely civilian character, for 
example hospitals, schools, sanatoria, dams, etc., and on what 
scale has this occurred?
Having heard the qualified representatives of the Democratic 
Republic of Vietnam and noted the official refusal of the 
government of the United States of America to make known its 
point of view, and this despite the various appeals addressed 
to it;
Having heard the various reporters, the experts, numerous 
witnesses, including members of the investigating teams which 
it had itself sent to Vietnam, as well as Vietnamese victims of 
the war;
Having examined several written, photographic and 
cinematographic documents, together with numerous exhibits... 
considers itself able to take the following decisions. 

Verdict of the Tribunal


Has the Government of the United States committed acts of 
aggression against Vietnam under the terms of international law?
Yes (unanimously). 

Has there been, and if so, on what scale, bombardment of purely 
civilian targets, for example, hospitals, schools, medical 
establishments, dams, etc?
Yes (unanimously).
We find the government and armed forces of the United States 
are guilty of the deliberate, systematic and large-scale 
bombardment of civilian targets, including civilian 
populations, dwellings, villages, dams, dikes, medical 
establishments, leper colonies, schools, churches, pagodas, 
historical and cultural monuments.
We also find unanimously, with one abstention, that the 
government of the United States of America is guilty of 
repeated violations of the sovereignty, neutrality and 
territorial integrity of Cambodia, that it is guilty of attacks 
against the civilian population of a certain number of 
Cambodian towns and villages. 

Have the governments of Australia, New Zealand and South Korea 
been accomplices of the United States in the aggression against 
Vietnam in violation of international law?
Yes (unanimously).
The question also arises as to whether or not the governments 
of Thailand and other countries have become accomplices to acts 
of aggression or other crimes against Vietnam and its 
populations. We have not been able to study this question 
during the present session. We intend to examine at the next 
session legal aspects of the problem and to seek proofs of any 
incriminating facts.
Endorsed ne variatur
The President of the Tribunal
Jean-Paul Sartre
Stockholm, 10 May 1967

Verdict of the Second Session
The International War Crimes Tribunal does as a result of 
deliberations render its verdict as follows:

Is the Government of Thailand guilty of complicity in the 
aggression committed by the United States Government against 
Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the Government of the Philippines guilty of complicity in 
the aggression committed by the United States Government 
against Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the Government of Japan guilty of complicity in the 
aggression committed by the United States Government against 
Vietnam?
Yes, by 8 Votes to 3.
(The three Tribunal members who voted against agree that the 
Japanese Government gives considerable aid to the Government of 
the United States, but do not agree on its complicity in the 
crime of aggression.)

Has the United States Government committed aggression against 
the people of Laos, according to the definition provided by 
international law?
Yes (unanimously).

Have the armed forces of the United States used or experimented 
with weapons prohibited by the laws of war?
Yes (unanimously). {365}

Have prisoners of war captured by the armed forces of the 
United States been subjected to treatment prohibited by the 
laws of war?
Yes (unanimously).

Have the armed forces of the United States subjected the 
civilian population to inhuman treatment prohibited by 
international law?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the United States Government guilty of genocide against the 
people of Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

How democratic is the US read the 3 previous messages to find 
out?

And yet I still love my country and support my government fully 
in its plans to defeat terrorists and those who love them.  All 
that long-winded talk on your part, carefully constructed to try 
to make Americans doubt their government to the point that they 
would turn against it at this point in time.  Sorry girlfriend, 
but "divide-and-conquer" was invented long before your time.  
Maybe you should renew your subscription to Pravda and Goat 
Humper Monthly.                                   

the above info was facts, not propaganda. this much is clear. 
did you know that the US government commited such acts, they 
sound like acts of terrorists to me.  you say that you support 
your government fully in its plans to defeat terrorists, what 
does iraq have to do with terrorists?

why invade iraq now? your government says that it is a threat, 
but how is it more a threat now than it was back in 1998? its 
not!  the USA is just using the feelings of fear and hate 
amoningst its people to justify invading a country which did 
nothing to deserve invasion.  i dont believe in the government 
of iraq, but there is still no justification to invadeing it.

did you ever stop to think that mabey your country suffers from 
acts of terror because of its neo-colional policies and war 
mongering.

the people who bombed the twin towers should be punished, but 
their acts should cause you to look at the reasons behind their 
act, not spread more pain and hatred to innocents (the 
cilivilians of iraq, libya, somalia, cuba, north korea, vietnam 
etc are innocent) 

The answer to your question lies in an Iraqi slipping into 
Czechoslovakia with the help of his gov't.  Also, he was I.D.'d 
as one of the pilots of 11 Sept. 2001.  Now, if that weren't bad 
enough, Iraq has six metric tons of mass-destruction weapons, and 
nuclear scintists who defected to the U.S. tell us that Saddam's 
regime is within a couple of years of having nuclear weapons.  
Given Saddam's history of tyranny and oppression, it is clearly 
time to go to war in order to eliminate the threat.  As for the 
propaganda above, it was clearly designed to try to drive a wedge 
between Americans and their leadership.  Apparently, the 
propagandist thinks that this is the Vietnam war.                  
          

It is known that Iraq has old 737's on their bellies for the 
sole purpose of training hi-jackers how to quickly take over 
jetliners and Saddam has a martyr unit trained in hi-jacking 
aircraft. If this has anything to do with the 911 high-jackoffs, 
I don't know. 

Why Iraq, why now? While I do not agree with a unilateral 
U.S./U.K. attack, its clear the main reason is to avoid massive 
death in the near future. Saddam is smart, and also mad. There 
can be no doubt Iraq activly pursues aquiring any weapons 
possible and using Saddams track record as a guide, will not 
hesitate using them on anyone. Iraq has been granted yet another 
chance to live up to the agreements they signed following the 
Gulf War after Iraq invaded Kuwait. Its a ploy, another lie, of 
course. Saddam fiegns innocence and spends money on propoganda 
and weapons, blaming U.N. sanctions (which is always worded U.S. 
sanctions) while his own people starve. He gassed people to 
death in his Iraq, he murders all opposed to the goverment, he 
tried to have his own son killed. We are talking about a 
psychopath here! A psycho with power and bad-ass weapons! Never 
a good combination.

Granted, the Bush son and Bush father connection makes this a 
even more strange situation. I'd like to see my country finish 
up the job in Afghanistan and Pakistan first. Do the job well, 
then move on to the next cockroach nest. Its clear by the 
numerous attacks and arrests in Pakistan that the place is 
crawling with al-Queerda runaway panty-wastes. But somewhere 
down the road you can damn well bet all these Arab countries 
that do not agree with our Iraq threat assesment now will be 
begging for U.S. help to save their sorry asses.

u still havn't answered the issue of why now.

Saddam was just as crazy three years ago as he is now, he killed 
kurds (among others) back then too and was then also just a few 
years off nuclear devices back then too.  America wants to 
invade now because it feels that the global atmosphere of fear 
and anger can be used to justify an illegal invasion.

what would never have been possible two years ago, what the 
whole international community would have turned away from 
indgust, is now rightous american foreign policy.

why iraq?  why not pakistan, it HAS nuclear weapons, has a 
military dictatorship and has suffering minorities and religious 
extremists and is a threat to nearby countries and the region. 

 why not israel, it HAS nuclear weapons, has a rediculously 
large and powerful military (deeply involved in the nations 
politics), has religious extremists, is a huge threat to nearby 
countries and the stability of the region and has one of the 
most suffering minorities in the world.  Israel is argueibly 
engaging in the most government sanctioned genocide and 
persecution since Pol Pot's regime (at least iraq tried to hid 
the fact that he was killing kurds).    

however israel has the backing of America, and pakistan dosnt 
have huge oil fields

Iraq weapons dossier at-a-glance (UK REPORT)
BBC News ^ | September 24, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/24/2002 1:30 AM Pacific by MadIvan

Here are the main points of the government's 50-page dossier 
evidence against Saddam Hussein, published on Tuesday. 

Current position: 

*Iraq has "military plans" for the use of chemical and 
biological weapons, even against his own population. 
*Some weapons are deployable within 45 minutes of an order to 
use them. 
*Saddam is one or two years off building a nuclear weapon.
Iraq has constructed engine test equipment for a missile capable 
of striking British military bases in Cyprus, Nato members 
Greece and Turkey and Iraq's Gulf neighbours and Israel.
*Saddam has tried to acquire "significant quantities" of uranium 
from Africa despite having no civil programme that could need 
it. 
*Iraq has "tried covertly to acquire technology and materials 
which could be used in the production of nuclear weapons". 
*Specialists have been recalled to work on a nuclear programme. 
*It has developed mobile laboratories for military use. 
*Iraq is preparing to conceal evidence of weapons and 
incriminating documents from weapons inspectors in the future. 


Missile programmes:

*Iraq has retained up to 20 al-Hussein missiles, with a range of 
650km, capable of carrying chemical or biological warheads. 
*It has started deploying its al-Samoud liquid propellant 
missile and extended its range to at least 200km, beyond the 
150km UN limit. 
*Iraq has started producing the solid-propellant Ababil-100 and 
is trying to extend its range to 200km. 


Saddam's power: 

*Saddam has retained authority over command and control 
arrangements to use chemical and biological weapons. 
*Intelligence reports say he may have delegated authority to his 
son Qusai. 
*Saddam does not regard weapons of mass destruction as a last 
resort.
*Saddam regards the possession of weapons of mass destruction 
and ballistic missiles as the basis of Iraq's regional power.


Funding:

*Chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missile programmes 
are "well funded".
*Iraq generates income outside UN control to an estimated 
$3billion in 2002.
*Illicit earnings are used to maintain Iraq's armed forces and 
to develop or acquire military equipment including chemical, 
biological, nuclear and ballistic programmes. 
*Illicit earnings have increased from around $1bn in 1999 to 
$3bn in 2002.


Iraq under Saddam 

*Saddam uses patronage and violence to motivate supporters and 
control or eliminate opposition. 
*Saddam practises torture, execution and coercion against 
enemies. 
*He pursues a long-term programme of persecution against Iraqi 
Kurds, including the use of chemical weapons. 
*People are arrested and detained for alleged political or 
religious activities. 
*Executions carried out without due process of law with 
thousands of prisoners executed. 
*Women prisoners at Mahjar are routinely raped by guards. 
*Prisoners at Qurtiyya Prison in Baghdad and elsewhere left in 
metal boxes to die if they do not confess. 
*Penalties for criminal offences include amputation, branding, 
cutting off ears and mutilation. 
*"Slander" against Saddam results in having tongues removed 
*Some 40 Saddam relatives, including women and children, killed. 

i hate to tell you this but the above infomation has not only 
just come to light.

the Iraqi regieme has had biological weapons for a few years now 
at least, the nuclear weapons are definately a worry but not 
really anything new.

Iraq commites terrible atrocities on its people, in particular 
the kruds.  however iraq is not the only country in the world to 
engege in such cruelty or to possess weapons of mass destruction.

Turkey has long persecuted the kurds, i didn't see America 
invade South Africa during apartheid.  i dont see America making 
threats to China about its persecution of minorities.

why are some countries allowed to prosses weapons of mass 
destruction and not others? why is any country allowed to have 
them?  why can America have nuclear weapons? why can Israel not 
only have nuclear weapons but also be allowed to destroy 
Palestilian houses, kill cilivians, cut off entire townships 
from food, medicine and other supplies and unlawfully imprision 
people (im not talking about militants here).

you have to look at what America will gain from an attack on 
Iraq, not what unjustices it will (hopefully) set right.  if 
America was doin this just to help 'the people' it would have 
happened a long time ago and in a lot of other countries.

U know in one attack on a kurd village by Saddam many more 
people were killed than in S11. i dont see the world grieving 
for them.  i guess Americans are worth more than other people

i dont see the world grieving for the millions of people who 
died under Pol Pot, thousands in Rwanda or the thousands of 
civilans America has killed in the past 50 years (i mean if u 
add in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Iran, 
Afghanistan and God knows where else)

this world dosnt seem a very fair place  

You can ask the question "why?" about anything. Maybe we should 
attack Iraq because we don't want to lose a few thousand more of 
our citizens. America is still seeking vengance for 9-11, and 
Iraq is a country know to support terrorism, and research deadly 
chemical weapon. You do the math...America is pissed at 
terrorists + Saddam supports terrorists = Iraqi asses getting 
kicked. It's really pretty simple if you just look at the whole 
picture

American's are worth more to Americans. Those other countries 
you mentioned are not a threat to the international community. 
Let the bitch U.N. deal with China. I really don't give a shit 
about those communists. If you want to live like shit, then 
expect to get treated like shit. Thats what I say to communists. 
Israel fucking rules. They have been kicking major ass recently. 
More power to them. 

America acts in the interest of America. It may sound cold and 
cruel, but family always must come first at all levels. I agree, 
the world is not fair, never has been, never will be. I also 
agree that one life has no more importance than another. That 
said, I do believe in the death penalty, an eye for an eye, and 
that there are inherently evil people such as Saddam Hussein who 
just plain need to be killed to make the world better.

I know the condensed version of the now infamous Saddam dossier 
contained much old news. There is some new revelations though. 
The capability to strike British bases in Cyprus sheds some 
light on Tony Blairs relentless pursuit of the Iraqi issue, for 
example. I personaly am against a U.S./U.K. attack at this time. 
The U.S. has a unique opportunity to show the whole world we are 
a truely sensible superpower leader who can work with all the 
nations of the world. On the other hand is the waiting guilt of 
not acting now if Saddam does something stupid and 100,000 
people are murdered. Tough times and tough calls to make, I sure 
wouldn't want Bush's job. 

Saddam can be removed with out war. We know how, it just doesn't 
make good nightly news that way. Slowly it is being done. Right 
now it is happening. Saddam is surrounded and the time has come. 
Bush just wants to take credit for it all. He is such a greedy 
little fuck!

I believe also that it can be done and is being done, but still 
at great cost to an economy that is reeling. Uncertainty is bad 
news for investors. The faster this is resolved, the better for 
the American economy which is on a downhill roll to the dumpster 
at present. Just the cost of having to position all those troops 
and equipment has to be staggering, not that I don't think its 
necessary, Im just thinking like a Jew! LOL!! "Where is that 
cost comparision I ordered?!! The one comparing costs of 
conventional verses nuclear?!!"

Im still trying to catch up on the al-Qaida/Iraq ties recently 
being released. Regardless of Sunni or Shiite, it seems natural 
Iraq would help them. Iran is worried, the goverment that is. 
The Iranian people have grown more pro-western over the years 
while the goverment seems a little behind the people and they 
may well fear the fall of Saddam will fell them also? If nothing 
else, we certainly are living in interesting times, I've 
willingly gone back to school (so to speak) in the past year.

i 'm from france, and here most of peolpe believe that your are 
(americans) the real terrorists!i'm from this point of view 
because during all your history ,you tried to dominate 
everything everywhere,without any pity!!!!!you  talk about 
america as the country of freedom,liberty....but when i read all 
the messages in this page, i just can notice that your are the 
most racist people i 've ever seen!!!
i'm not gonna insult you as you did to muslims,because only 
stupid and ignorant people use bad words, because they don't 
have enough vocabulary to express themselves!!!!!!!

i 'm from france, and here most of peolpe believe that your are 
(americans) the real terrorists!i'm from this point of view 
because during all your history ,you tried to dominate 
everything everywhere,without any pity!!!!!you  talk about 
america as the country of freedom,liberty....but when i read all 
the messages in this page, i just can notice that your are the 
most racist people i 've ever seen!!!
i'm not gonna insult you as you did to muslims,because only 
stupid and ignorant people use bad words, because they don't 
have enough vocabulary to express themselves!!!!!!!

From: 
To: americans 
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:08:00 2002 
Message:
i 'm from france, and here most of peolpe believe that your are 
(americans) the real terrorists!i'm from this point of view 
because during all your history ,you tried to dominate 
everything everywhere,without any pity!!!!!you  talk about 
america as the country of freedom,liberty....but when i read all 
the messages in this page, i just can notice that your are the 
most racist people i 've ever seen!!!
i'm not gonna insult you as you did to muslims,because only 
stupid and ignorant people use bad words, because they don't 
have enough vocabulary to express themselves!!!!!!!
 
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I noticed you tried twice in vain to post your message in white. 
Ain't it a bitch when ya CAN'T SURRENDER!!!

I think that the only reason they hate us is because we back 
Israel. We all know the holiest things to the Islamic religion 
are there.

How come the world doesnt have a clear and deep knowledge about 
the Zionists and their global control which trying to acheive. 
When Mr Bush accuses Iraq that has fooled the UN for 11 years 
and hasnt followed any resolution, THEN WHY NO ONE ASKS ISREAL 
TO DO THE SAME THING.ISREAL HAS DONE NOTHING FOR 35 YEARS NOW 
FOR ALL THE RESOLUTION THE U.N HAS PASSED.

So i have this question to my fellow jews..:

Who is the biggest terrorist Arafat or Sharon??

i think jews are looking good as soaps dont you think?

This is just to say that every muslim in the world is a filthy 
little cammell fucking bastard.

If I had my way I would take over your little mickey mouse 
republics, kill your leaders take your wealth (probibly not 
enough to rebuild the WTC but, hey every little bit helps).  I 
would then make you slaves to the west and work you until you 
can work no more, then I will use your organs for spare parts 
for people in British and American hospitals and then you will 
be killed in the cheapest way possible and your flesh will be 
made into pig food and your bones into fertiliser.

You have the audasity to complain that we have nuclear and 
biological weapons, when Saddam cannot, we are allowed we are 
rich westerners we can do as we please.  You on the other hand 
are stinking little arab bastards with a little bit of oil, this 
oil you have no other choice but to sell to us.  So you don't 
have to sell it to us if you don't want but when there is no 
money comming in and all your kids starve to death. We'l come 
and take it from you any way.

ALL PAKIS, WOGS, MUSLIMS AND SAND NIGGERS SHOULD BE ANAIOLATED.  
LET ISREAL, UK AND US RULE THE MIDDLE EAST AND AVENGE 9/11.

GENOCIDE NOW!!!

Of the 3000 who died, most were killed when the buildings fell 
down, All of those in the second tower died because they were 
allowed back in to the building, after having been evacuated 
when the first building was attacked.  This means the New York 
Fire Department were responsible for the majority of the deaths.

After over a year of investigation, we still don't know who in 
the Bush administration ordered the stand down of Edwards air 
force base, which facilitated the attack, and who took the video
that George Bush watched before he attended the classroom in 
Florida, was it the mossad agents that were laughing and 
cheering from accross the river?

Let's not give the Palistinian freedom fighters any more credit 
then they diserve. 

Don't you have some snails to eat or something? 



                                     
      

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pitch ... u know all of americans motherfucker .. all the 
christian r killers ... last thing KISS MY ASS .

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Yeah?  And?  Ask your mother just HOW much of a motherfucker I 
AM!  I'll just have to live with the sores I got on my hand from 
bitch-slapping her around.......              
                                                   

if u wanna know what's gonna happin ... just look right now to 
aljazeera news channal u'll lesten to his voice .. this is a 
new statment for a new attaks " inshallah " he'll blow americe 
& the economy of america .. then watch out motherfuckers ... 
osama bin ladin is coming to fuck asses of american ... more 
detales www.aljazeera.net ... take a look motherfucker 
americans.

if u wanna know what's gonna happin ... just look right now to 
aljazeera news channal u'll lesten to his voice .. this is a 
new statment for a new attaks " inshallah " he'll blow americe 
& the economy of america .. then watch out motherfuckers ... 
osama bin ladin is coming to fuck asses of american ... more 
detales www.aljazeera.net ... take a look motherfucker 
americans.

if u wanna know what's gonna happin ... just look right now to 
aljazeera news channal u'll lesten to his voice .. this is a 
new statment for a new attaks " inshallah " he'll blow americe 
& the economy of america .. then watch out motherfuckers ... 
osama bin ladin is coming to fuck asses of american ... more 
detales www.aljazeera.net ... take a look motherfucker 
americans.

Arab Kinkdom has decided to try to entice you into reading 
his/her precious Aljazeera propaganda.  Notice how he/she 
sweet-talks us by calling us "motherfuckers" and threatening us.  
Hey A-rag Kinkdom, I'd gladly put you out of your misery.  Name 
the time, and we'll work out a meeting place.  I'm sure the worms 
will gladly feed on your flesh.  MOTHERFUCKER.                   
             

Your ISP is locked ..


GOTCHA ASSHOLE.......................

STAY TUNED...............

Bring it on.  Time to put up or shut up.  And you're the 
asshole, you fucking asshole pussy.                      
                       

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From: arab kingdom 
To: all 
Date: Wed Oct 9 08:58:42 2002 
Message:
i'm really a chickenshit coward who would never face anyone in 
real world. i am a big pussy with soft hands and i live with my 
mommy. i am a the biggest pussy in the universe. well, not the 
biggest. Osama is the biggest. but im definately number 2.
okay, maybe 3 because i think mohammad is a pussy too, but 
definately number 3. yes i am number 3 pussy in the universe, or 
maybe 4 because i think arafat is a bigger pussy than me too. 
okay , yes i am number 4 for certain. 
well,
let me think for  a minute.
okay, yes i think that is it
i am number 4 pussy behind osama, mohammad and arafat.
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From: arab kingdom 
To: all 
Date: Wed Oct 9 09:11:16 2002 
Message:
oh, and i got nice bitch titties too
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From: arab kingdom 
To: The American Peoples 
Date: Wed Oct 9 13:18:33 2002 
Message:
i am so stupid!
all arab are so stupid!
all arab are coward
all arab are sneeky and liars
all arab are raghed shit eating scum of erth
all arab men are like infection and the puss drip from my penus
all arab women are like rotting death and smell fo old sewar
my ass itch and need scratch now
i must go

if i ever saw fuckin osama bin landen i rip his balls out and 
shove it down his fuckin litlle musslum mouth

Would that be before or after your mommy put you down for your 
nap?                              

When I find you I am going to kill you     
          

haha, yea...Muslims sucks.

I can not see the point of this! every one has there own views 
on september 11th, how is insulting muslims going to help and 
change what happened?? its a sad thing when ALL muslims are 
catagerised for one mans fanatical views. Speaking as non 
muslins it isn't fair to put people through this when they have 
been going throgh enough because of this one man and his alis. 
How would americans feel if they were catagerised as being mass 
killers like bin larden? Don't you remember Japan the thousands 
killed in a matter of minutes due to Americans and nucleur 
weapons. As far as we are conserned you need to stop killing 
innocnet people and concentrate on finding the man responable 
that is Bin Larden. Bush needs to also think about his stratages 
of doing this as it is over a year now and no one is any closer 
to finding him. He shouldn't forget about this and more on to 
war with Sadam Hussan just to finish the job his father didn't. 
He needs to look at what the American people want and that is 
justice from September the 11th!

yes, 
lets continue to appease, pacify, placate, quiet, calm, settle 
and soothe our enemies who have declared war upon us.
if we just smile and give them food they will like us.
i'm sure of it.
and if we just do whatever they want, we'll all be better off 
because you know the US is always wrong and 3rd world dictators 
are always right.
In keeping with tradition, France should go ahead and surrender 
today. Europeans can take turns, draw straws, something like 
that.
We'll just sit here and watch.

have a nice day.

i still think that muslim suck

Hi life you sound like one of those British? muslims 
(Pakistanis) who jumped up and down when Saddam went into Kuwait 
and then hoped he would kick our arses.  Then went very quiet 
when he lost, if you feel so bad about our? country - then go 
back to the land of your ancestors asnd give the rest of us a 
well earned break from your bullshit.

hows about you go back to the land of your ancestors you 
fuckwit.  unless your part of the very small number of celtic 
descent then you should fuck off to Germany or Normandy.  Makes 
about as much sense as what you said

opps! i think that last one was to Brit Soldier, not from him

usa is shit they only want war there are worst then hittler only 
they belive thet ossama is not inosent the army and goverment 
should be 
detroied                                                      
mueranse hijos de puta cabrones

Fuck you, endejo puta pinche.  You sound like White Mexican 
Silva.  Just as stupid.                           

american people........u cannot defend ur president like that, 
he just a human being. weak n always doing mistakes. u cannot 
judge muslims or other peoples who critics ur government. i know 
the fact that ur government has a lot of propaganda to all 
country in this world as a powerful country.
we dont need ur help, just let me live peacely.

yeah, to all the ignorant people that are bashing Muslims are 
the scum of the earth.  Yes the people that hurt our country 
very badly were of the muslim religion, however that doesnt 
mean that all muslims are evil humans.  Take Pearl Harbor...the 
japanese attacked our country and being the small minded 
americans(back then) we put all the japanese americans in 
camps.  how unfair is that.  we cant label all the types of 
people because of a select few.  maybe u the ignorant ones can 
however I as a believer in God can not.  U must really think 
that you all are bigger people, because you can get on these 
little websites and bash a certain type of people/person.  
right your a big person.  if i ever saw you in person i would 
laugh.  i am not of islamic accent however i am a firm believer 
in equalism.  So to all the people that are assuming shit well 
guess what when you assume u make an ass out of you and in this 
case definetly not me!  i'm a proud woman that stands up for 
what is right....and what you think is most definelty Not 
right.  to all the muslims that come to this hellish website 
that allows this kind of bashing to continue stay strong.  
these mindless "men" or "woman" if that is what they can really 
call themselves have no soul.  may you lead a happy life just 
like me. God Bless America and ALL the people that live in it!

Still waiting...                 

people that dont dont give a fuck about religion and the rest of 
your bullshit got killed that day when you get bombed .they r 
guided missels that on the hole take out buildings when your 
bombed and at least we got the ball to put r hands up .ps if 
osma doesnt care about dieing y does he hide all the time . i 
think hes full of shit 

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If you are a Brit you need to go back to school, illiteracy can 
be cured.  To the colonial who can't work a PC properly - I am 
in my home country.  But of course you still havn't heard of the 
World-Wide Web. If this is the shining example if Americas best, 
God help us.  No wonder friendly-fire is the disease of the 
American Armed Forces.

no wonder getting their asses whipped is the disease of the 
british army. We (America) kicked your ass in the Amer. Rev., 
and Battle of 1812. We also saved your ass in WWI and II. Sorry, 
but Britian just plain sucks. I hear you guys are expiramenting 
with toothpaste now!

Boy I never thought I would say this, but Thank You for arresting
One of Bin Ladens Son's, (if what I saw on the news was true)
Maybe there is hope for you after all! 
I see your government is tired of this terrorist bullshit
also!
What's he got like 23 sons?
Ha, 1 down 22 to go!
Once again, Thank You

It is not Jackyl's intent to cause harm to any religious or 
racial group
but only to demand justice relating to this terrorist attack! 
Lyrics 
I HATE YOU BIN LADEN
I HATE YOU BIN LADEN
I HATE YOU BIN LADEN
I HATE YOU BIN LADEN
I M PISSED OFF AND NOT A PATIENT MAN
I D DROP A BOMB ON AFGHANISTAN
I D SNATCH THAT TOWEL FROM YOUR HEAD
WRAP IT AROUND YOUR NECK
PULL IT TIGHT UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD
 MOTHER FUCKER  YOU WANT TO PLAY?
YOU WANT TO GO TO HELL?
I LL SEND YOU TODAY
(CHORUS)
YOU VE GOT AN OPEN INVITATION
TO MEET US FACE TO FACE
YOU FIGHT LIKE A COWARD
YOU RE NOT A MAN YOU RE A DISGRACE
YOU STEPPED ACROSS THE LINE
FROM YOUR SAND TO MY GRASS
YOU VE GOT AN OPEN INVITATION TO KISS OUR ASS
I AIN T SCARED TO TAKE AN EYE
FOR AN EYE
I AIN T SCARED
IT S THE TRUTH
IT S AN EYE FOR AN EYE AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH
I M PISSED OFF SEEING RED
CANDY ASS I WANT YOU DEAD

September 12, 2001 
Dear Osama Bin Laden, Yasser Arafat, and Saddam Hussein, et. 
al., 
We are pleased to announce that we unequivocally accept your 
challenge to an old-fashioned game of whoop-ass. Now that we 
understand the rule that there are no rules, we look forward to 
playing by them for the first time. 
Since this game is a winner-take-all, we unfortunately are 
unable to invite you to join us at the victory celebration. But 
rest assured that we will toast you -- LITERALLY. 
While we will admit that you are off to an impressive lead, it 
is however now our turn at the plate. 
By the way, we will be playing on your court now. 
Batter up. 
Sincerely, 
The 270,000,000 citizens of the United States of America

Download the Song From The Link Below You Dirty Sand Fucker's
http://www.jackyl.w1.com/invitation.htm

All of you people that are against the U.S. going to war need to 
shut the FUCK UP. You call yourselves Americans!! Why is it that 
when the time comes for America to defend herself that all of 
you little bitches come out of no where to complain and all of 
the sudden you give a damn about what America is doing. I bet 
75% of you didn't even vote for a President. But now you want to 
be heard. You say you are concerned about your sons and 
daughters going to war, Shut the Hell Up you knew we signed a 
contract and took an Oath, "To defend the USA." I am a Corporal 
in the USMC, more than likely I will be called upon to fight, 
don't you dare tell me that you are against the possibility of 
war. Because the way I see it  if you are not in the military 
then just shut the FUCK up Get the hell out of our way let us do 
the dirty work for you. Or support us, and the President, 
because if we do go to war, we will all need it.

                               SEMPER FI     Cpl USMC

PS I lost my fiancee at the WTC on 9/11/01. And I know that if 
she would have survived, she would be supporting the USA no 
matter what different opinions she had. Please do the same.

Thank You! Without you WE wouldnt be here!

JPaul with you all the way! You DEFFINATLY have my respect
and support! A very dear member of my family is in the 
ARMY "Active"
(dont say it lol)
he may not be coming home this year either. I know what your 
talking about. God Bless You, and this Mission you may be 
about to partake in!



                      GOD BLESS AMERICA
                  AND OUR COALITION SOLDIERS TOO!

WHO CARES

<font size="3">People... i think that this is all just 
stupid..</font size="3">

<font size="5">CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?</font size="5">

Exactly.. i dont see why we cant just all get along.. there are 
more things goin on right now other than just this B/S* its 
kinda gettin on my nerves.. but hey.. thats how it goes i guess* 
oh well.. Later*

The world is crazy,and the crazy thing only grove.
The human is evil and we only get more evil.
We are destroying the world and it only get faster.
The only way to save the world is to kill all humans.

Message:
The world is crazy,and the crazy things only grove.
The human is evil and we only get more evil.
We are destroying the world and it only get faster.
The only way to save the world is to kill all humans.
 
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Some of you are saying that the US needs to take over the world. 
Some of you actually believe that the muslim terrorists are 
justified in their attacks. All of you need to realize there is 
no "black and white" here. The issues involve capitalism, 
religion, women's rights and so much more, all of which can have 
many different view points. Everyone SHOULD agree that Murder 
against INNOCENTS is wrong. Terrorists are wrong. Other 
governments trying to remove terrorists, and those who harbor 
them, are trying to ratify the wrongs. Even though some are 
killed along the way, you have to consider which is the better 
of two evils. One: people self detanating and sloughtering 
everyone around them and flying planes into the most populated 
buildings. or Two: Removing and destroying the regimes who 
promte the behavior of the prior. 
Anyone who claims that 9-11 is America's fault is clearly 
mistaken. Someone stated earlier that Jihad was originally meant 
to be in self defense. If their suicide bambing and other 
attacks are classified as and JUSTIFIED for being in "self 
defense," then why can't the U.S. defend itself against the 
terrorists. Bush has every right to conquer the regims of middle 
eastern countries who harbor terrorists. We are just defending 
our country. If you are allowed to defend your religion, 
country, and way of life, why aren't we? 
War isn't a happy thing and nobody wants to go to war. THat is a 
given (except for those who intentionally blow themselves up at 
random just to injure others.) But how many times has the U.S. 
gone through the UN to get weapons inspectors in Iraq. And how 
many times has Suddam agreed, only to rescend months later. 
Inspectors have never really been succesfull in completing a 
search. If necessary, the U.S. has a right to defend itself, 
just like everyone else. And if the U.S. is stronger and batter 
and wins the war, then maybe there is a reason behind it. Did 
you ever consider a FAIR fight. That means no handicaps for the 
weak just because they aren't as good. That means whoever is 
better wins, rightfully so. That's how all life is and should 
be. Unles you want to retry communism, and we all know that 
doesn't work. 
As I see it you need to stop complaning about the war crimes 
done against Irag and the Middle East. What is the ratio of 
these supposed attacks to the ones commited by those inside the 
middle east. And as far as good intentions, Bush and Blair are 
trying to help the situation. So before you go making a stand 
and protesting war or America, do a little research, just so you 
know what you are talking about.

Why can't everyone just get along?

Please i mean we all just sit her and fight about everything 
that no one gives a damn about!!

Life doesn't work this way!

If everyone would stop saying that there reason is better than 
one another then we might just find somthing in common! If 
everyone works together maybe none of this would had happend!! 
IF we were all nice, but no! everyone just has to go there 
seperate ways don't they! u just had to sit there and do nothin 
about it! but its to late! its war! if thats what they want, 
then give it to them! Bring it on Osama shit head

Student, Student#12, And the Chickenshit assholes who wont post 
a name! "Cant We All Just Get Along?" You sound like Rodney King 
being beat on a Saturday Night! HELL FUCKING NO WE CANT GET 
ALONG! When we were attacked! You sound like a bunch of pussy 
whipped mother fuckers that want to sit back and take no action 
in this war against terrorism! "lets all cowar down and it will 
all go away" FUCK THAT!!! You think by asking? That something 
good is going to become of your stupid bullshit?  HELL NAH! You 
must have been watching on the "News" when WE  were attacked you 
stupid fuckin assholes! (Oh lets just sit back and let it all go 
away!) Take a stand for once in your pathetic lives and DO 
something about it! Go to your local news station and tell 
them "You want to send your own message to Usama!"  Tell him
your not going to take his bullshit anymore (If you are man 
enough) and root out the Islamic fucks! And tell Usama YOU
ARENT PUTTING UP WITH HIS BULLSHIT ANYMORE! And if he wants 
his own people that live in the US to be safe, that you will 
make sure they "DONT" If he plans to do anything else to us!
Stand up for yourself, be a man for once, and tell Usama if he 
wants his people to die then do one more fucking thing to us!
This aint Rodney King Hun This is WAR! It's now them against us!
And by God WE will win! NO MORE MOTHERFUCKING TERRORISM! 

dear friends 
i think what u rad in the masseges mostaly about the hate of 
islam .i want ti tell u reality of our swet islam  plz do,nt 
shut this massege. most of u American never stydy the religion 
definitly u never study islam then how u can claim about its 
badness.our islam is so great religion if u once study it u will 
find that it is  religion of humanity .our religion teach us 
donot kill even a small animals how we can kill the peoples.
it is all prpogenda agaist us u just study our religious book 
Quran  then u will clear in ur views.our religion is peace 
makers our religion teach us obay ur parents all respect the 
humanity .the grace and dignity which we gave the human no 
relion did it .respect dignity,prestige all thes thinnngs we 
gave the humanity .
now American talk about the right of human right of women etc 
its we are who firstly decribe the rights of all people 
rendomly.just study the islam then say any thing u just know 
that which ur tv tell u .it is ur information .how silly u r .

You sorry waste of skin! If you are still alive (which I doubt)
But If you are alive I have a question:
Why did you not appear in front of a video camera? Since you 
LOVE to be a "camera hog"! A recorded transmission of your voice 
over a phone to an Arab newspaper surely doesnt convince me your 
alive! Or has the AMERICAN bombing blown off most of your 
anatomy and your embarassed to show us? You have to do better 
than that! I mean if you want "The full affect" of your scare 
tactics to work, I would like to see your pathetic, oxygen 
wasting ass, actually appear ON CAMERA! I need a new picture 
anyway so I can blow it up to "Lifesize" (pun intended) so I can
use it for more target practice in my backyard, the old one I 
had of you is "Blown" to shreds! Ha, but then again maybe so are 
you! Prove your still alive and get in front of a camera. I 
promise not to laugh if half of you is GONE! And I have a Nile 
River I would like to sell you too!

You are so full of hate,if you was born in a country like 
palestina, i think you would be one of those selfbomber.
I think the only way to stop your hate is go to a country after 
a war so you can see that a clean war dont excist and never will.

I see evil is alive in the postings here as with most of the 
world.  I keep saying to myself, What are these humans doing to 
themselves and the world?  Then I realize for some strange 
reason I'm one of you too.  Hoplessly tangled in the evil of 
humanity.  The problems of humanity are not religion, politics 
or money based, or any of the excuses that humans find to blame 
for there problems.  They are however derived from one simple 
truth, that most wont understand.  And that is, You are all 
weak and unwilling to fight against the evil within; I weep for 
you all.

Well I guess you should have seen New York city, The Pentagon, 
that feild in Pennsylvania, Oklahoma City in 1995, and Pearl 
Harbor in 1941. No a clean war doesnt exist! If you think I'm 
full of hate now, just wait and see if there is one more attack 
on US soil! For you to understand my hate and anger you would 
have had to of seen MY Country after 9-11-01! You only saw on 
the news! I had to live it! I am still living it! I will 
continue to live it until every last terrorist is DEAD! And if 
that means having a hand in their demise by my own hands if its 
at all possible, than I will be more than happy to oblige MY 
COUNTRY in ridding it of them!

I dont have to go to another country to see the devistation war 
brings, I WAS IN ONE!

racist a**holes think they so cool and go kill ppl....gay

U R a Cunt, and stop making fake muslim posts, you really suck 
at it

Im going to the toilet
and you are with me,if not you are against me!

Im going to fuck my wife
and you are with me,if not you are against me!

Im going to eat shit
and you are with me,if not you are against me!

Im going to destroy my country
and you are with me,if not you are against me!

Im going to destroy the demokracy
and you are with me,if not you are against me!

LOOK A LOT OF YALL HAVE A LOT OF GUTS TO SAY SUCH THINGS. YOU GUYS 
REALLY NEED TO LEARN THAT YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT THINTGS FOR YOUR 
SELF. THINGS NOW A DAYS THAT PEOPLE SAY CAN REALLY HURT PEOLE. YOU 
KNOW THAT A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAY THEY DONT MEAN, BUT AT 
THE SAME TIME EVERYONE WANTS SO MUCH TO FIT IN. I CAN UNDERSTAND 
IF YOU ALL HAVR HURT FEELINGS BUT YOU CAN'T THROW EVERYTHING OFF 
ON EVERYONE ELSE. 


           WELL I WILL END THIS OFF NOW WITH SAYING
    WHATEVER YOU ALL DO THINK ABOUT IT FIRST THEN DO IT
           AND THING IF YOUR GONNA KILL SOMEONE THAT 
   MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE YOU ONE DAY OR EVEN YOU OR A LOVED
                               1!

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'll take my chances. When the Muslims stop 
terrorizing the world in a concerted effort to use their 
religion as a extortion tool...then, and only then, will they 
earn one iota of respect from me.

Advocates among nations, wisdom who take counsel for the nations 
of the earth.
Enhance the world knowledge of your love. All those who come in 
the name of the Almighty God, peace be still play not in the 
hands of satin and destroy Gods creations. Hope have mercy 
salvation, charity have mercy, love have mercy.
Allah is love, Allah is peace, Allah the creator of all the 
Universe.
Be aware of the trick analogy that satins sets forth for man 
kind.
The warning of Allah our God. Disobediences that sets forth the 
destruction of the world. There will be accountability for all 
man who trample on Gods creations. 


There shall be no winners in this war, death is death when any 
life is taken. 
Illusions of the mind when any one think that there will be a 
winner. 
Reigning of man sight, visioning mans theory of right.  Man that 
falls in the devil hands even after the warning of God, Allah 
all in one has given.
God is God, man is man. The virus snake that runs foe to foe.
Un clean thoughts that plague thy nations of God s creations. 
Tainted by satins demands. Murder is Murder one of God s 
commandments which man refuse to  live, trampling on God s 
creations.    

Men of all nations who wear the cloak, there will be only one 
winner on this earth, that is the almighty God. Which spoke man 
shall destroy its self.
Pimping minister thank you Jesus devil all those who come in the 
cloak of the hypocritical oath which they live upon all nations. 

May Allah our God faithfulness, be merciful to those who tamper 
with his creations. 
Every man shall feel the whip of thy God. Proclaim messages the 
source of peace that those come in the name of thy almighty God 
of all nations of the universe.
There shall be no second chances, battlefields of blood wasted, 
Greed and ignorance, descendants who brought great wealth, 
weakness of man, no man falls without shame. I reclaim the name 
of love, and good grace, be gone satin there is no rightful 
place for you upon this earth. Imbibing the spoken words of our 
God Allah, Children of the earth who disgrace the commandments 
of our almighty God Allah.
Derisions, of the holy grounds, the symbols of emblems that set 
before, the devil as he steals from the universes. The sounds of 
the roars of thunder, the ancient dust, have return. Open 
lynching, of the spoken words, will be deleted.

I ancient dust cry no more; Thy Allah our God shall return to 
claim his rightful Universe. Cry not for thy self, cry for the 
world, as it self destruct. Trampling on Allah our God s 
creations.  Spirits of thoughts, the birth of wisdom, 
spirituality, understandings, creations, life, death, love, 
cries of the earth. God that lives among, us all, the evolution 
of men. The man the great tool of civilization, which he stands.

Deterring, the responsibilities of mankind, the one, who stands 
behind, the treasures, of wisdom knowledge and understanding of 
Gods great love.
Sanctuary of all God s begging, the honor which is given to God.
Not taking any glory for self, sing the glory, of one creator, 
which is Allah our God.
Words not needed, the human kindness of the spirits, thoughts to 
conform great men, Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, words 
spoken from the heart. Its not man on the mountain, but the 
mountain, within the heart. Intellectual compelling of who s 
who, and its contributions of the earth, spiritual laws, which 
feel, my cup of the universe, empowerment of understanding, 
precondition of man, which thirst for God s throne, holy 
retellings, without fulfillment of the soul. My eyes, are 
blinded, by the using of love, The might the power has no honor, 
if the light has no halo of it s own thoughts.


In this prison, all the pretense of unity, who are they? Shades 
of insanity, listen as they destroy self. No humanity, insanity 
slips into the oh say can you see. Give me liberty are give me 
death. Can you hear, the bellowing of sin, calamity that no 
longer embrace truth. As the Oh say can you see. Cries with the 
torch, darkness, why have thou forsaken me. Can you hear the 
fading, celestial strings, Every man for self, don t blank. I 
want your bank account. Quiet as I speak. There is no justice, 
when it refuses to link, my account number, where I bank. Crying 
out to the ever lasting one. In the hope of vocal response. 
Pressures, placed upon the Universe.
Killing ones on self. Feed the people, Reverse Psychology, 
Satins plot.
Society programmed, infinity, exterminations, life, mama the man 
in the mask, is trying to kill me. Paradise my prison, 
Capitalistic dysfunctions,, Psychological lynching of all Gods 
children.


Self defeating, emotional extremist, dare savor momentary, 
mental genocide, exhale, you are breathing toxins, death by ones 
on hand, give me liberty are give me death. Instruments of 
carnal freedom, instant death  cloning the sip of death, 
confusions, who am I that lives? Servants to the serpents, who 
swears by oath, sophisticated , death by ones on hand.

You need to have a drink

Thank God for Christians and Jews

You're all nuts.

including you

Oh we found out for ourselves 9-11-2001 we found out alot of 
things! And your worried about WORDS hurting people? You 
understand why WE have hurt feelings? WE cant throw this off on 
other people? 3000+ of our LOVED ONES died that day, and we 
arent suppose to throw this off on some bizerk mother fucker who 
twisted the minds of people and convinced them to fly planes 
into buildings killing innocent people who did NOTHING to ANYONE?
Ahhhhhhhh cry me a fucking river "Words Hurt" my ass! FUCK OFF 
BITCH!!! You need to think about what is happening around you 
instead of sticking that straw up your nose! Or who your 
sleeping with next tomorrow night! Maybe the next plane they 
crash into another building MIGHT BE YOURS!!!

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I will be in touch with you where ever you post.

With all that is written, and if you really understand what it 
mean, do you still think what the radicals, extemists, 
terrorist muslims is doing is right?

Don't forget, read your quran again. Jesus will be the one to 
come and judge you not Mohammed. Jesus was sent by God through 
birth by Mary, Jesus perform miracle no other prophet in the 
Quran did. The only think Quran did not agree with the bible is 
that he did not die on the cross. He manage to escape and 
accended into Heaven. With all this written in the quran you 
can call Jesus Devil. Hmmmm?

Happy Thanksgiving! And to the Victims families of 9-11-01 My 
thoughts and prayers are with you! You probably dont know it but 
people you have never met, are probably never going to meet, but 
who deeply care, have you in our prayers EVERY DAY!  Not just 
during the Holiday's, but it seems that the Holiday season is a 
time when we search deep in our hearts and extend a hand to you!
God be with you in this Holiday Season! And YOU ARE NEVER 
ALONE!!! We are with you, even though you havent, and probably 
wont ever meet us! 


And to ALL OUR MILITARY, our thoughts and prayers are with you, 
for what you are doing is more than you will ever know, or 
perhaps maybe you do. You keeping us safe, and putting an end to 
Terrorism is probably more than you ever knew you were going to 
get involved in, but you have kept us safe in the past and 
present, and won the battles before, and I KNOW YOU WILL AGAIN. 
God Be with YOU!!!! Happy Thankgiving! Wherever you are!!!

Psche....fuck all you fucks suck shit fuckfaces

Why amerikans loves to go in wars!

*Your priests is fucking your sons.
*Your fathers is fucking your sisters.
*Your presidents is fucking your girlfriends.
*Your brothers is fucking your male friends. 
*Your sisters is fucking your female friends.
*Your mothers is fucking with strangers.
*And you are fucking nobody or with your pets.

Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists 
are so quick to commit suicide. Let's see now . .
No beer
No booze
No bars
No television
No cheerleaders
No baseball
No football
No basketball
No hockey
No golf
No tailgate parties
No hooters
No pork BBQ
No hot dogs
No burgers
No lobster, shellfish, or even frozen fish sticks
Rags for clothes and towels for hats
Constant wailing from the guy next door 
because he's sick and there are no doctors
Constant wailing from the guy in the tower
No chocolate chip cookies
No Christmas
You can't shave
Your wife can't shave
You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey 
cooked over burning camel dung
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times
Your bride is picked by someone else
She ! smells just like your donkey
But your donkey has a better disposition
Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!

No mystery here

"Hello...Hello.. Saddam? is that you? This is Arafat, no I don't 
have a flat..THIS IS YASSER ARAFAT!!" "Oh, my good egyptian 
terrorist friend, How are you and how much money do you 
want?" "Enough with the jokes Saddam, I am having trouble with 
my new cell phone, something about free long distance and all 
that, but anyway I need you to send me some of your best men, I 
have been forgotten and no one is left here, Sharon has blasted 
all of my best men to bits!!!" "I am sorry Yasser, I am under 
servailence by American spies. They are crawling all over the 
PALACE!! I am so MAD!! They even spit on my prayer rug and 
telling me it was going to be confiscated as a wepon of mass 
destruction!!!" "Saddam, I am so outraged! Sharon has had me 
eating bagels for almost a YEAR now and I cant take a dump 
anymore with out drinking a gallon of water first!!" "Tell me 
about it Yasser, Colin Powel has kept poking me with his damn 
mag light and telling me bad jokes about YOU!! it is an out 
rage!!!"

Americans r uneducated and don't know shit.  There was a world 
competition on hair style, fashion, finding countries on map, 
best science, history, math student, etc. and United States were 
1st in fashion, cheating, hair style, and they were last on 
educational staffs.  5 american student were picked randomly in 
class and they were asked to find the United States on the world 
map, but those stupid muthefuckes couldn't find it.  Ignorant 
americans r talking shit about Islam and they don't even no shit 
about it. Also, they don't even know what Islam means, Islam 
means PEACE.  Some of my italian friends as already said, Islam 
is religion of peace and i believe Christianity and other 
religions r too.  Osoma bin ladin and his people r NOT Muslim 
because Muslim's won't kill 6000 people.  They used the name 
Islam so they can start trouble against Muslim people.  The 
United States don't have much prove that Osama bin ladin was the 
one who attacked WTC.  What i believe is that the United States 
wanted to get the oil from Afghanistan and the US blamed it on 
Osama Bib Ladin.  Same as Iraq, they need a good reason to 
attack Iraq to get the oil.  Also, Bush's father couldn't kill 
Saddam Hussein and now W Bush wants to kill him cuz his father 
couldn't.  W bush said that  I am gonna get that bastard.   He 
can t put this situation into personal matters.   In the US kids 
don't give a shit about their country.  They don't care what 
goes on and what doesn't, but in Iraq a 11-year-old kid blew 
himself under an enemy tank with a grenade cuz he carried about 
his country.  He couldn't stand to see his country getting 
fucked up by bunch of idiots.  Also, muthefucke american kids 
all think about sex, drugs, and cigarettes.  By the way i am in 
10th grade and im not an AMERICAN.

learn how to spell Yasir Arafat

Don't try and defend the Muslims who are commiting these 
terrorist acts and killing innocent people. If the Quram tells 
them this is ok then the Quran needs rewritten. I think it's 
more of the Mullahs interpreting the Quran to suit their own 
personal needs and the Muslims can't see this, or don't want to 
see this. One thing Osama Bin Laden has done is expose the 
Muslim religion to world criticism and it looks like this 
criticism is justifiable because the Muslims either sit back 
and do nothing or endorse what the terrorist are doing. They 
know who the terrorist are and where they hide but won't turn 
them into the authorities. If I was a Muslim I wouldn't let 
these terrorist desecrate my religion and if I was a Muslim I 
would be ashamed of my fellow Muslims and how they act and 
would take action against them.

"Also, they don't even know what Islam means, Islam 
means PEACE."

*WRONG! Three demerits and a swift kick in the ass for you. The 
Arabic word Islam translates as SUBMISSION. That doesn't even 
sound "peacefull".*

"Osoma bin ladin and his people r NOT Muslim 
because Muslim's won't kill 6000 people.  They used the name 
Islam so they can start trouble against Muslim people."

*WRONG AGAIN! Osama was raised in a strictly Islamic environment 
in Saudi Arabia (yes, I can find it on a map) as were his whack 
job followers and they often quote directly from the Koran. IF 
Islam was such a (now blowing chunks...cough) "peacefull" 
religion, why is nearly EVERY conflict and act of terrorism this 
whole world over somehow related to.....Islam? Peacefull, my 
ass.*

 "What i believe is that the United States 
wanted to get the oil from Afghanistan and the US blamed it on 
Osama Bib Ladin." 

*Afghanistan has nearly NO OIL RESERVES! But Bib Ladin was 
funny.*

"Also, Bush's father couldn't kill 
Saddam Hussein and now W Bush wants to kill him cuz his father 
couldn't.  W bush said that  I am gonna get that bastard.   He 
can t put this situation into personal matters."

*WRONG AGAIN MY TURKISH FRIEND! It sure as hell looks like, as 
president, he CAN make it personal!

"In the US kids 
don't give a shit about their country."

*So are you living in Turkey? At what age will you be FORCED to 
put in your military service time? American kids VOLUNTEER! Are 
Jerk....whoops, I mean, Turk kids a bunch a mamma-boy pussies or 
what? Feel free to correct me if Im wrong about 
this, "muthefucke"! LOL!!*

 "By the way i am in 
10th grade and im not an AMERICAN."

*Good....make sure you keep it that way nancy-boy.*


  

Here lies the Afghan board. 
Born 9-11-01 --- Died 12-6-02
Cause of death,
shit eating pervert that spammed it daily.

May it Rest In Peace

My my, aren't you all mature?  First off, Americans who are 
insulting Islam.  Isn't our freedom about religion as well as 
other things?  Is not prejudice against the Islamic religion 
derailing the very thing you are trying to protect, American 
freedom?  Why, I don't believe any religion in all the world 
(or at least a major one) has not been guilty of some such 
attack.  Christianity, for example, fought the crusades.  For 
another thing, I imagine "Islam" can mean peace as well a 
submission.  There is often many ways to translate something.  
And why is everyone dissing everyone elses gov't, pray tell?  
This seems to be a board for very emotional, ordinary 
citizens.  At least in many cases.  Have you ever been to the 
country you are criticizing?  Have you ever been involved in 
their politics while there?  Politics is an intracate dance, 
and sometimes it is a dishonorable one as well.  That I am 
willing to admit.  But why point fingers, when no party is 
innocent?  War...hmm.  People dying, children crying, mothers 
mourning lost husbands and sons.  What is war anyway?  An 
endless cycle of death and destruction.  One war sparks another 
war, and that war sparks two more.  And what are countries?  
People arguing and getting defensive over imagined lines, for 
land is not naturally divided thus.  It brings to mind 
territories of animals, and their wicked defenses of them.  Yet 
even animals will not stoop so low as war.  That deamening, 
shameful act is reserved only for humans. Anger, and hate.  
This to is something not even animals are willing to lower 
themselves to.  Humans are very intellegent, but with that self-
constrait and understanding must also come.  If not, than we 
are indeed worse than animals.  And, when it comes down to it, 
we are all humans.  You fight against your brothers, your 
sisters.  You kill them in mass.  And worse than all of this 
combined, you enjoy doing it.  You coax others into it.  You 
bring forth a moil of anger, of hate, the worst of all 
emotions.  I realize that this message will probably bring some 
controversy, but I ask that you think before you speak, and 
when you do speak it is reasonbly and respectfully.  I know 
everyone here is intellegent enough to do so, if you do not let 
your emotions get the better of you.  

www.politicsandprotest.org

http://www.submission.org/home.html

In the name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Say: O disbelievers! 

I worship not that which ye worship; 

Nor worship ye that which I worship. 

And I shall not worship that which ye worship. 

Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 

Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion

One day the arab nation will unite like we did before, back in 
medieval time and we will kick your ass i mean we do...

GOD IS GREAT

Homosexuality is not rampant among Turkish males.  They have 
full respect among women, but maybe where u came from is legal 
fucking women on street.  They don t kick they children out 
after they are 18, they fully have responsibility over them.
When I said Islam means PEACE, I didn t say the meaning in 
dictionary.  I thought u could of understand that, but since ur 
not smarter enough I ll tell u.  If u read Quran, it tells u 
what Islam means.  It says Islam means Peace.  People like u r 
trying to destroy Quran, but that will never happen.  Muslim s 
don t say any think to Bible or what u believe, but y u care 
about Quran.  Is it cuz there is more people believing in Quran 
then what u believe?
Do u even know what strictly Islamic environment means.  (Yes, 
those people r Muslims too, but they believe in different things 
than  regular Muslims.)  The Quran they read is different.  
Those people r so strict and they want everyone to be Muslim.  
That s not what we believe.  We respect all religions.  I know 
there r strict Christians and on other religions too.  But it 
seems like ur one of them.  Y almost everyone in America hates 
Muslims?  Its cuz that s Bush s goal.  
Go learn more about other countries instead of all ur country s 
dirty business.  Afghanistan does have OIL.  Afghanistan did not 
give their oil to the US, but the US got it from Pakistan.  The 
US needed to dig in to Afghanistan s  land to get the oil in the 
US and Afghanistan did not let the US.  They blamed it on Osama 
BIN ladin  to attack Afghanistan  and now the US has full 
control over Afghanistan.  
Bush cannot take this personal.  That s y he need s a reason to 
attack Iraq and he says  weapons of mass destruction.  R u 
saying that if suppose a Italian curses at Bush, Bush can 
destroy the whole country.  I don t thinks so.   Do u know what 
NATO and UN is, they r the one who control s these things.
Actually, I live in the US in NJ.  Its not call FORCING into the 
military, its call getting in the military.  In Turkey people 
VOLUNTEER too.  But at age 20, people gets to military so if 
there is war some day they ll be ready.  But if there is a war 
in the US one day and they start calling people in, I bet only 
2% can getting cuz 98% can t move their asses.  All they think 
about is, FOOD FOOD FOOD.   Muthefucke , that s slang . JERK.
I ll tell u how I know that Bush hates Muslims.  The US is 
helping Israel to destroy Palestine.  Palestinians are Muslim 
and the place Israel conquered from Palestine are Palestinians.  
Iraq does not want that to happen cuz Palestinians r Muslim 
too.  Kuwait is the holy place for Palestinians and Iranians.  
Jesus was born there. That s y Iraq is doing that today.  Iraq 
does now want Israel to conquer Palestine.   

                  First search and than say shit  

Homosexuality is not rampant among Turkish males.  They have 
full respect among women, but maybe where u came from is legal 
fucking women on street.  They don t kick they children out 
after they are 18, they fully have responsibility over them.
When I said Islam means PEACE, I didn t say the meaning in 
dictionary.  I thought u could of understand that, but since ur 
not smarter enough I ll tell u.  If u read Quran, it tells u 
what Islam means.  It says Islam means Peace.  People like u r 
trying to destroy Quran, but that will never happen.  Muslim s 
don t say any think to Bible or what u believe, but y u care 
about Quran.  Is it cuz there is more people believing in Quran 
then what u believe?
Do u even know what strictly Islamic environment means.  (Yes, 
those people r Muslims too, but they believe in different things 
than  regular Muslims.)  The Quran they read is different.  
Those people r so strict and they want everyone to be Muslim.  
That s not what we believe.  We respect all religions.  I know 
there r strict Christians and on other religions too.  But it 
seems like ur one of them.  Y almost everyone in America hates 
Muslims?  Its cuz that s Bush s goal.  
Go learn more about other countries instead of all ur country s 
dirty business.  Afghanistan does have OIL.  Afghanistan did not 
give their oil to the US, but the US got it from Pakistan.  The 
US needed to dig in to Afghanistan s  land to get the oil in the 
US and Afghanistan did not let the US.  They blamed it on Osama 
BIN ladin  to attack Afghanistan  and now the US has full 
control over Afghanistan.  
Bush cannot take this personal.  That s y he need s a reason to 
attack Iraq and he says  weapons of mass destruction.  R u 
saying that if suppose a Italian curses at Bush, Bush can 
destroy the whole country.  I don t thinks so.   Do u know what 
NATO and UN is, they r the one who control s these things.
Actually, I live in the US in NJ.  Its not call FORCING into the 
military, its call getting in the military.  In Turkey people 
VOLUNTEER too.  But at age 20, people gets into military so if 
there is war some day they ll be ready.  But if there is a war 
in the US one day and they start calling people in, I bet only 
2% can get in cuz 98% can t move their asses.  All they think 
about is, FOOD FOOD FOOD.   Muthefucke , that s slang . JERK.
I ll tell u how I know that Bush hates Muslims.  The US is 
helping Israel to destroy Palestine.  Palestinians are Muslim 
and the place Israel conquered from Palestine are Palestinians.  
Iraq does not want that to happen cuz Palestinians r Muslim 
too.  Kuwait is the holy place for Palestinians and Iranians.  
Jesus was born there. That s y Iraq is doing that today.  Iraq 
does not want Israel to conquer Palestine.   

 First search and than say shit  

Christianity sucks

Homosexuality is not rampant among Turkish males.  They have 
full respect among women, but maybe where u came from is legal 
fucking women on street.  They don t kick their children out 
when they are 18, they fully have responsibility over them.
When I said Islam means PEACE, I didn t say the meaning in 
dictionary.  I thought u could of understand that, but since ur 
not smarter enough I ll tell u.  If u read Quran, it tells u 
what Islam means.  It says Islam means Peace.  People like u r 
trying to destroy Quran, but that will never happen.  Muslim s 
don t say any think about Bible or what u believe, but y u care 
about Quran.  Is it cuz there is more people believing in Quran 
then what u believe?
Do u even know what strictly Islamic environment means.  (Yes, 
those people r Muslims too, but they believe in different things 
than  regular Muslims.)  The Quran they read is different.  
Those people r so strict and they want everyone to be Muslim.  
That s not what we believe.  We respect all religions.  I know 
there r strict Christians and strict people on other religions 
too.  But it seems like ur one of them.  Y almost everyone in 
America hates Muslims?  Its cuz that s Bush s goal.  
Go learn more about other countries instead of all ur country s 
dirty business.  Afghanistan does have OIL.  Afghanistan did not 
give their oil to the US, but the US got it from Pakistan.  The 
US needed to dig in to Afghanistan s  land to get the oil in the 
US and Afghanistan did not let the US.  They blamed it on Osama 
BIN ladin  to attack Afghanistan  and now the US has full 
control over Afghanistan.  
Bush cannot take this personal.  That s y he need s a reason to 
attack Iraq and he says  weapons of mass destruction.  R u 
saying that if suppose a Italian curses at Bush, Bush can 
destroy the whole country.  I don t thinks so.   Do u know what 
NATO and UN is, they r the one who control s these things.
Actually, I live in the US in NJ.  Its not call FORCING into the 
military, its call getting in the military.  In Turkey people 
VOLUNTEER too.  But at age 20, people r getting into military so 
if there is war some day they ll be ready.  But if there is a 
war in the US one day and they start calling people in, I bet 
only 2% can get in cuz 98% can t move their asses.  All they 
think about is, FOOD FOOD FOOD.   Muthefucke , that s slang . 
JERK.
I ll tell u how I know that Bush hates Muslims.  The US is 
helping Israel to destroy Palestine.  Palestinians are Muslim 
and the place Israel conquered from Palestine are Palestinians.  
Iraq does not want that to happen cuz Palestinians r Muslim 
too.  Kuwait is the holy place for Palestinians and Iranians.  
Jesus was born there. That s y Iraq is doing that today.  Iraq 
does not want Israel to conquer Palestine.   

                  First search and than say shit  

I like Turks but your not a Turk , Turks are smarter than you.

"I like Turks but your not a Turk , Turks are smarter than you"
to this kid.

I bet i am smarter than u, cocke sucker.
 Y don't u tell me what u know, but u know what u can't, cuz u 
don't know shit.
    Don't tell me ur an maerican, cuz u'll start boll shitting.  
(haha) its funny the way americans boll shit.

hey yall im representing iraq for model un and i need some dirt 
on the u.s. hehe can anybody help?

yeah i need that help like right now so respond like right now

hurry up i dont have all day ppl :( pwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz

Iraq is one place in the world that is worse then hell

the only reason iraq is "worse then hell" is because of the 
sancions placed on it by the UN 

what the hell kinda dumbass thing to say is that"turks are 
smarter than u blah blah blah im a fuckin idiot" i mean i cant 
believed u managed to write a whole paragraph about pro-turk 
anti-america shit that u certainly could not back up 

Are you suggesting the brilliant Turk is a  "boll shiter"? Or 
perhaps a "cocke sucker"?

No, I am suggesting that Americans are boll shiter and cocke 
suckers.

we do know that ur a fuckin idiot.

*****No, I am suggesting that Americans are boll shiter and 
cocke suckers.*****

Don't generalize about Americans based on your experience in 
some wetbacked New Jersey shithole. Tell your pops and your 
other dad (hairy mother) you want to go back to Turkey and don't 
let the door hit you in the arse on the way out. Go shag goats 
in Turkey, sheppard boy. If you hate America - get the fuck out.

***Afghanistan does have OIL.  Afghanistan did not 
give their oil to the US, but the US got it from Pakistan.  The 
US needed to dig in to Afghanistan s  land to get the oil in the 
US and Afghanistan did not let the US.  They blamed it on Osama 
BIN ladin  to attack Afghanistan  and now the US has full 
control over Afghanistan.***
======================
This is a typical Islamic pile of shit argument. Firstly. NO, 
Afghanistan is NOT an oil rich country. There was some 
negotiation over building a oil pipeline thru Afghanistan which, 
by the way, would have been the greatest thing ever to happen 
for the Afghan people by providing paying jobs and a chance to 
bolt out of the 6th century. But no, the Taliban wanted no part 
of losing total control. Sad. But lets get to the main point in 
dismissing this argument. It is the fact the Taliban granted 
refuge to and protected a murderer named Osama bin Ladin who is 
ultimatly responsible for the attack on America. The attackers 
were trained by and were followers of bin Lucifer who as much as 
admitted the planning was done by his merry little group of 
zombies. THAT is why the Taliban and al Queerda were killed and 
driven in a matter of weeks from Afghanistan into caves first 
(like cockroaches), then anywhere that they could hide their 
sorry, pussified asses! Oh, but I suppose you believe the 
attacks on America were carried out by Jews? 

***I ll tell u how I know that Bush hates Muslims.  The US is 
helping Israel to destroy Palestine.  Palestinians are Muslim 
and the place Israel conquered from Palestine are Palestinians.  
Iraq does not want that to happen cuz Palestinians r Muslim 
too.  Kuwait is the holy place for Palestinians and Iranians.  
Jesus was born there. That s y Iraq is doing that today.  Iraq 
does not want Israel to conquer Palestine***
===================================

Jesus was born in Kuwait!?!!! I hadn't heard that one yet! Iraq 
is no different than any of the other Muslim countries of the 
middle east; they don't care about the Palestinians except as an 
excuse to cover their own asses. When the Pali's stop practising 
human sacrifice, then Israel will consider peace. The fact is 
Arafat turned down a damn good offer 3 years ago from the 
Israeli's giving the Pali's 90% of what they asked for. Arafat 
doesn't want an end to the infada, he's making money hand over 
fist as evidenced by his wife and family living a high life in 
France. All that and plenty left for terrorism too; whats not to 
love about that?

u don't even know what the fuck u talking bout, u just boll 
shitting.  Most of the things u said was WRONG!!! 

u don't even know what the fuck u talking bout, u just boll 
shitting.  Most of the things u said was WRONG!!! 

the Iraqi regieme has had biological weapons for a few years now 
at least, the nuclear weapons are definately a worry but not 
really anything new.

Iraq commites terrible atrocities on its people, in particular 
the kurds.  however iraq is not the only country in the world to 
engege in such cruelty or to possess weapons of mass destruction.

Turkey has long persecuted the kurds, i didn't see America 
invade South Africa during apartheid.  i dont see America making 
threats to China about its persecution of minorities.

why are some countries allowed to prosses weapons of mass 
destruction and not others? why is any country allowed to have 
them?  why can America have nuclear weapons? why can Israel not 
only have nuclear weapons but also be allowed to destroy 
Palestilian houses, kill cilivians, cut off entire townships 
from food, medicine and other supplies and unlawfully imprision 
people (im not talking about militants here).

you have to look at what America will gain from an attack on 
Iraq, not what unjustices it will (hopefully) set right.  if 
America was doin this just to help 'the people' it would have 
happened a long time ago and in a lot of other countries.

U know in one attack on a kurd village by Saddam many more 
people were killed than in S11. i dont see the world grieving 
for them.  I think people 'round the world worth the same.

i dont see the world grieving for the millions of people who 
died under Pol Pot, thousands in Rwanda or the thousands of 
civilans America has killed in the past 50 years (i mean if u 
add in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Iran, 
Afghanistan and God knows where else)

the Iraqi regieme has had biological weapons for a few years now 
at least, the nuclear weapons are definately a worry but not 
really anything new.

Iraq commites terrible atrocities on its people, in particular 
the kurds.  however iraq is not the only country in the world to 
engege in such cruelty or to possess weapons of mass destruction.

Turkey has long persecuted the kurds, i didn't see America 
invade South Africa during apartheid.  i dont see America making 
threats to China about its persecution of minorities.

why are some countries allowed to prosses weapons of mass 
destruction and not others? why is any country allowed to have 
them?  why can America have nuclear weapons? why can Israel not 
only have nuclear weapons but also be allowed to destroy 
Palestilian houses, kill cilivians, cut off entire townships 
from food, medicine and other supplies and unlawfully imprision 
people (im not talking about militants here).

you have to look at what America will gain from an attack on 
Iraq, not what unjustices it will (hopefully) set right.  if 
America was doin this just to help 'the people' it would have 
happened a long time ago and in a lot of other countries.

U know in one attack on a kurd village by Saddam many more 
people were killed than in S11. i dont see the world grieving 
for them.  I think people 'round the world worth the same.

i dont see the world grieving for the millions of people who 
died under Pol Pot, thousands in Rwanda or the thousands of 
civilans America has killed in the past 50 years (i mean if u 
add in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Iran, 
Afghanistan and God knows where else)

Don't forget this was a coalition of many nations taking on 
Iraq many of them Arab.Remember the price of the freedom you 
are currently enjoying is high. What have you done to invest in 
it?

hey... i was doing this research project for a us history class 
and i just want to state my opinion.  I agree that out U.S. 
government sucks the cock... most of the time.  But, i say we 
wait this war on iraq out until he strikes first... cuz if we 
can avoid war, saddam will eventually die off.  I know it seems 
like the U.S. wants to take over the world.. or iraq... but i 
dont think we give a fuck.  And whats with all of these people 
blaming every thing on the U.S., we don't have food and the us 
should give us food, we hate america but not americans,

hey... i was doing this research project for a us history class 
and i just want to state my opinion.  I agree that out U.S. 
government sucks the cock... most of the time.  But, i say we 
wait this war on iraq out until he strikes first... cuz if we 
can avoid war, saddam will eventually die off.  I know it seems 
like the U.S. wants to take over the world.. or iraq... but i 
dont think we give a fuck.  And whats with all of these people 
blaming every thing on the U.S., we don't have food and the us 
should give us food, we hate america but not americans, .. y is 
it that we are the cause of all demise in the world.. hey... if 
all of the other contries would like us to not help them out 
and go into a lock down.. i say hey y not.. fuck you other 
contries, you dont want our help.. fine by me.. thats more 
money the us gov. can spend on americans and not helping the 
world out.  But i do want to help out the world... i meen.. why 
are there billions on starving children.. while the us is 
spending billions of dollars building bombs... on yea thats 
right... its because countries like iraq have terrorist weponry 
so we have to defend ourselfs.. if everyone stops fighting... 
we can focus on helping people

u mentioned on sep. 12 something about the U.S. committing war 
crimes would u mind going into a bit more detail about that? 
thanx :)

FUCK YOU

~~~~~~~~~~Americans r uneducated and don't know shit.~~~~~~~~
----------------------------------------------------------------

You are thee uneducated one! Moron! We have proof that Usama 
(may he sleep with the worms) Bin Laden commited the murders on 
9-11-01, a reporter of all people found a video tape in a house 
where some of the Al-Quaida had been storing weapons, turned it 
over to our Military, who in turn handed it over to our AMERICAN 
government. Way back when the war fist started, with 
him "Confessing and Laughing" about what happened on 9-11, he 
said he thought the first few floors of the World Trade Center 
would crumble, but he was "Delighted" at the outcome of both 
towers totally collapsing!!! Now if that isnt "OVERWHELMING" 
evidence that "He did it" then your more ignorant than I already 
knew you were by reading your post! We dont need Afganistan Oil 
or anyone elses for that matter we have our own. This war is NOT 
about OIL Dipshit!! It's about ridding the WORLD of terrorist 
bastards that we have, and the world has put up with for way to 
long! That's why most of the WORLD is in on this war. They are 
sick of this shit too. Our objective in Iraq in 1991 was NOT to 
kill Saddam Hussien, it was to evict him from "Kuwait"! Believe 
me if we wanted Hussein dead in 91 he would be! Also you little 
10th grade dweeb, our objective (should we go to war) it isnt 
written in stone just yet, will be to make damn good and sure 
that Saddam has NO weapons that he can launch OUR way, or sell 
to someone who can!! If you havent noticed, and you even 
mentioned yourself, he used weapons on his own people, which 
makes him  A MURDERER!! What is to keep him from using weapons 
of mass destruction on ANYONE, since he used them on his own 
people, if he is not stopped? So if we should go to war, and 
want him dead he will be! We are the stupid ones? Hmm ok when 
was the last time a Turk walked on the moon? What stopped a Turk 
from creating Electricity? How about Internet Access? I didnt 
see a Turk come up with that idea! How about Cars? Phones? Who 
is THEE Superpower? etc.. You get my point!! You better do your 
homework again! Because your  FAILING THE 10th GRADE!! You come 
on here with "Your Opinion" and try to present it to the 
AMERICAN people as "Fact"!! You know absolutely NOTHING about us 
or what your talking about!! And AMERICAN children DO know where 
their own damn Country is you Jackass! If AMERICAN children only 
cared about sex, drugs and cigarettes, then why do we not see 
them strapping explosives to themselves, and blowing themselves 
to hell? That's reaaaaaaly smart dont you think? To care about 
your Country means (In your opinion) "Oh lets strap explosives 
to ourselves, take a few innocent lives with us, and commit 
suicide"!! So smart indeed. You probably wouldnt know the 
differance in Turkey if it was a Country or a Bird, or Both! Ha, 
and you call us stupid? Did you just all the sudden get 
Ignorant? Or were you born that way? Get your fact's straight 
before your little 10th grade ass post's again! Idiot!

The Kuran!! You dont honestly believe that bullshit do you???
I mean seriously!!!!

shut up already...and learn how to spell cock.....you cock 
breath.

I do believe in Quran, do u have a fucking problem with that. I 
believe in quran and i respect other religions. Does that make 
me ignorant or saying shit about different religions make me 
ignorant?  How about this, not all of the american kids care 
about drugs etc. but most of them do.  Ha, u think it was 
americans who invent all those things back than.  Ask the kids 
in the US how many of them would go to war if there is one 
today.  Maybe 1 out of 10.  Kids in Afghanistan or Iraq 
strapping explosives to their body and explode themself because 
it hurts them seing their country getting attack.  If someone 
was beating your best friend or your family member, what would u 
do?  Get into the fight right.  Its the same thing.  People here 
can go to moon because foreign people gave them the technology.  
In the middle east there are alot of smart people but they are 
too poor to show themselfs.  Middle east can have a perfect 
techonology, but the us is blocking them.  the us does not want 
the countries in middle east to get stronger.  If american kids 
know where they at on the map, than why couldn't they find their 
map on the competetion? HAHA thats funny!!!  Kids in the us does 
not need to strap explosives and explode themselfs.  They got 
the whole army in front of them.  They don't have any reasons to 
do it.  There are rules in this country and they know what will 
happend to them if they don't follow it.Do u think if there were 
no problems in middle east, kids would strap explosives on them? 
NOOO.  Kids here have freedom, school, money, something to eat, 
something to drink, toys, tv, etc.  Like almost every 
comfortable staffs and who the hell would wanna screw that kind 
of life.  Do u know how people in middle east lives.  Well i 
know because i lived there for 11 yrs.  My grades in Turkey was 
straight F's, but know its straight A's.  When they were playing 
with toys, i was playing with dirt.  Anyways, u get the idea.  
The life is terrible there and kids don't have choices.  I think 
when uneducated people can't exprice their feelings, they always 
curse, at ur country, ur family, or make fun of the way u look.

I do believe in Quran, do u have a  problem with that. I believe 
in Quran and I respect other religions. Does that make me 
ignorant or saying shit about different religions make me 
ignorant?  How about this, not all of the American kids care 
about drugs etc. but most of them do.  Ha, u think it was 
Americans who invent all those things back than.  Also, America 
does not have oil and that s why they buy it from Middle East.  
Ask the kids in the US, how many of them would go to war if 
there is one today.  Maybe 1 out of 10.  If you ask kids in 
Middle East, 6 out of 10.  Kids in Afghanistan or Iraq strapping 
explosives to their body and explode themselves because it hurts 
them seeing their country getting attack.  If someone was 
beating your best friend or your family member, what would u 
do?  Get into the fight right.  Its the same thing.  People here 
can go to moon because foreign people gave them the technology.  
In the middle east there are a lot of smart people but they are 
too poor to show themselves.  Middle east can have a perfect 
technology, but the us is blocking them.  The us does not want 
the countries in middle east to get stronger.  If American kids 
know where they at on the map, than why couldn't they find their 
map on the competition? HAHA thats funny!!!  Kids in the us does 
not need to strap explosives and explode themselves.  They got 
the whole army in front of them.  They don't have any reasons to 
do it.  There are rules in this country and they know what will 
happened to them if they don't follow it.  Do u think if there 
were no problems in middle east, kids would strap explosives on 
them? NOOO.  Kids here have freedom, school, money, something to 
eat, something to drink, toys, TV, etc.  Like almost every 
comfortable staffs and who the hell would want to screw that 
kind of life.  Do u know how people in middle east lives.  Well 
I know because I lived there for 11 yrs.  My grades in Turkey 
was straight F's, but know its straight A's now because I care 
about my country and when I grow up I want to do something for 
my country.  When they were playing with toys, I was playing 
with dirt.  Anyways, u get the idea.  The life is terrible there 
and kids don't have choices.  I think when uneducated people 
can't express their feelings, they always curse, at ur country, 
ur family, or make fun of the way u look. 

i really dont like u at all turkish ppl suck ****

**Also, America does not have oil and that s why they buy it 
from Middle East.**
------------------------
http://www.opec.org/

Straight fron OPEC's own website:

Top 5 oil producing countries of the world
(in millions of barrels per day)

Saudi Arabia  7.889 
Russia  6.730 
United States  5.801 
Iran  3.572 
China  3.297 

Yes, America has oil reserves, much of it untapped in Alaska. 
I'd hardly call being 3rd in the world in oil production having 
NONE. America imports about 55% of its oil currently with the 
most coming from the western hemispere (South America). The 2nd 
most come from the middle east.

On the issue of oil in Afghanistan, I stand corected, somewhat. 
Afghanistan has a TINY amount of oil reserves:

Soviet estimates from the late 1970s placed Afghanistan's proven 
and probable oil and condensate reserves at 95 million barrels. 
Oil exploration and development work as well as plans to build a 
10,000-bbl/d refinery were halted after the 1979 Soviet 
invasion.  A very small amount of crude oil, about 300 barrels 
per day (bbl/d), is produced at the Angot field in the northern 
Sar-i-Pol province.

Now compare Afghanistan's total reserves of 95 million barrels 
with the DAILY production in the U.S. of 6 million barrels. 
Afghanistan has very little oil but is in a prime location for a 
pipeline to transport oil from the loaded Caspian Sea region.

========================================

**Kids in Afghanistan or Iraq strapping explosives to their body 
and explode themselves because it hurts them seeing their 
country getting attack.**

Can YOU find Israel on a map? THATS where above actions occur.

I'd love to continue but your post was to Marie so I'll save her 
a little of your ass to chew on.

sorry for the rude comment about me not liking turkish guys but 
ur just an ass and so i based my disliking of u as a disliking 
of turkish ppl in general...so im very sorry again and i dont 
really care if U took it offensively or not but i felt as if i 
should apologize 

What a Jackass!!! Well then you go right on ahead and believe 
that hate filled book called the Kuran! I have no problem if you 
want to believe in BULLSHIT! Hell I have no problem if you want 
to join the rest of the assholes and strap a bomb to yourself 
and blow yourself to kingdom come! If you believe that 
we "AMERICANS are uneducated and dont know shit" Yes that makes 
you ignorant as hell! Oh now all AMERICAN kids Dont believe in 
drugs etc.. MAKE UP YOUR MIND! And AMERICA doesnt have oil??? 
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LEARNING THERE IN TURKEY? Not much 
obviously! We have oil we havent even got out of the ground yet! 
Dufuss! And yes kids will defend this country, after 9-11 there 
was a dramatic increase in enlitees in ALL  the Armed forces in 
this country, which sure tells me they want to whoop some Kuran 
reading, self exploding, stone throwing, stuck in the 9th 
century ass! And your damn right kids, and myself would get into 
the fight, but we sure wouldnt strap bombs to ourself and blow 
ourselves up, that helps NO cause, it just makes people look 
more terroristic, and delusional than they already look, not to 
mention taking innocent lives, is not the way to solve any 
problem. So NO it is not the same thing. I will beleive Turk's 
can go to the moon or do anything else when I SEE IT! What makes 
people in the middle east poor? Is it because they are ruled 
dictatorships, that have everyone controlled and scared to try 
to improve their own lives because they are affraid they may get 
their fingers cut off by doing so? It's their own fault for not 
rising up and getting rid of the dictator that's been holding 
them down and preventing them from advancing to the 10th 
century! Yeah right the US is blocking them pfft!!!! Kuwait and 
Afganistan are perfect examples of that! They look pretty damn 
happy and free to me. Devoloping technology for the first time 
BECAUSE  of US help! Gee if kids here dont need to strap 
exposives to themselves and they have the whole Army in front of 
them then  AMERICANS MUST KNOW SOMETHING, AND ARE EDUCATED!!! 
GOLLY GEE! So if the kids there have freedom, food, money etc, 
what was the last thing YOUR Country donated to the Middle 
Eastern Countries to help them? The US has donated, ManPower, 
Food, Military, Medicine, Schools, Money, Contractors, 
Educators, Peacekeepers, Material for building buildings, 
Hospitals, Nurses, Doctors, Technology, Clothes, Technology, 
etc... I am very thrilled you are now getting straight A's, now 
if you educate yourself a little bit better on the American 
History Past/and/Current you will be getting more A's!!! Maybe 
you wont be wearing a Turbin and throwing rocks when you grow up!
Maybe the kids dont have choice's there but their parent's sure 
as hell do! It's going to take alot for them to do it, but they 
cant expect the US to come bail them out of every situation, 
they must do SOMETHING  for themselves. But as usual we probably 
will come bail them out, BECAUSE THEY ASK FOR OWR HELP!!! And as 
I recall YOU CURSED FIRST, Remember ~~~Americans are uneducated 
and dont know SHIT? Ha! Wrong!

Thank's I have been looking for the OPEC site, lol! 

What a Jackass!!! Well then you go right on ahead and believe 
that hate filled man called Bush! I have no problem if you 
want to believe in BULLSHIT! Hell I have no problem if you want 
to join the rest of the assholes and make the whole world geting 
hated you and your fucking republik! If you believe that 
we in the rest of the world are uneducated and dont know shit" 
Yes that makes 
you ignorant as hell! Oh now not the whole worlds kids Dont 
believe in Ahla,Budda,Hare Krishna etc.. MAKE UP YOUR MIND! And 
the world cant work without USA??? 
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LEARNING THERE IN USA? Not much 
obviously! We have much more of everything of what you have! 
Dufuss! And yes kids will defend the world, after 9-11 there 
was a dramatic increase in enlitees in ALL  the Armed forces in 
amerika, which sure tells me they want to whoop some Kuran 
reading,starving, stone throwing, stuck in the 9th 
century! And your damn right kids, and myself would get into 
the fight, but we sure wouldnt strap bombs to ourself and blow 
ourselves up, that helps NO cause, it just makes people look 
more terroristic, and delusional than they already look, not to 
mention taking innocent lives, is not the way to solve any 
problem. So NO it is not the same thing. I know USA 
can go to the moon or do anything else,but they cant rule the 
world! What makes 
people in the middle east poor? Is it because they are ruled 
by USA, that have everyone controlled and scared to try 
to improve their own lives because they are affraid they may get 
their country bombed. It's their own fault for not 
rising up and getting rid of the amerikans rules that's been 
holding 
them down and preventing them from advancing to the 10th 
century! Yeah right the US is blocking them!!!! Kuwait and 
Afganistan are perfect examples of that! They look pretty damn 
happy and free to me. Devoloping technology for the first time 
in the country 
BECAUSE  of USAs armys weapons ! Gee if kids here dont need to 
strap 
exposives to themselves and they have the whole Army in front of 
them then  AMERICANS MUST KNOW SOMETHING, AND ARE EDUCATED!!! 
GOLLY GEE! So if the kids there have freedom, food, money etc, 
what was the last thing YOUR Country donated to the Middle 
Eastern Countries to help them? The US has sold, ManPower, 
Bombs, Military, Death, Drugs, Money for the leader, 
Coca Cola, , Material for Prison etc... I am very thrilled you 
are now getting straight A's, now 
if you educate yourself a little bit better on the American 
History Past/and/Current you will be getting more A's!!! Maybe 
you wont be wearing drugs and shooting people when you grow up!
Maybe the kids dont have choice's there but their parent's sure 
as hell do! It's going to take alot for them to do it, but they 
cant expect the US to come and kill them out of every situation, 
they must do SOMETHING  for themselves. But as usual we probably 
will come bail them out, BECAUSE THEY HAVE OIL!!! And as 
I recall YOU CURSED FIRST, Remember ~~~Americans are uneducated 
and dont know SHIT?! Wrong,we know how to bomb a country,how to 
make fear in the world and how a crazy man called Bush can be a 
president.

That is lazy and very weak. Damn, it must be a Muslim! LOL!! Is 
it any wonder there are mucho poor people in lands of oil rich, 
flamboyant sheiks and princes? After all, Islam rules most of 
the governments of the middle-east with two classes; the rich 
and the poor. The Islamic nutballs continually attempt to 
ridicule Americans for being "blind" as they fail to see the 
insanity of their religious governments, who run the 'blame 
America' propoganda campaign to get richer.

Turkey, on the other hand, is governed as a secular state so 
there really is no excuse for a Turk to be so brainwashed and 
weak except for *TAH DA*, ISLAM PRESENTED IN A RADICAL WAY!!

What a pathetic attempt at a copy and paste job, with twisted 
words and meanings! Your right om/cf must be some Muslim jackass!

IM NOT REALLY SORRY DUDE BUT I WUZ POSSESSED BY CHRISTINA 
AGULAIRA TOOTLES

yo ur fucking stupid, u don't know what the hell u talking 
about.  All the things i said was not true.  So go get a fucking 
life. Jackass! 

If you aren't a US citizen, you don't have the rights of a US 
citizen!
One Pilot's Perspective 

"You worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the
streets of this country that I love, that your color and 
culture still
blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this 
country. But
you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I 
notice you
because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, 
professing
to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow 
citizens and our
friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand 
their
grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the 
inhumanity of
their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners 
in my
country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and 
brutally
stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and 
crashed
them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving 
sons, wise
grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite 
coaches, fearless
public servants, and children's mothers.

So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want 
to be
consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has 
destroyed the
soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational 
American,
trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and 
unsafe world,
I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the 
Arab/Muslim
terrorist.

How do I differentiate between the true Arab Muslim Americans 
and the
Arab Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, 
enjoying
our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection 
of OUR
constitution, while they plot the next attack that will 
slaughter those
very same good neighbors and children? The events of September 
11th
changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine 
which of you
embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL 
of its
different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for 
every Arab
Muslim in
this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know 
whether
or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? 
Do you
proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do 
you pray in
your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation that 
He will
protect and prosper it?

Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of 
your "Jihads"? Are
you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A 
freedom
that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of 
patriots who
gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve 
this
freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America? 
If this
is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know 
about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media 
at
this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions 
you are
taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United 
States of
America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the 
death of the
innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. And 
no more
benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks 
because I
worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in 
any more
sympathy
...
I am only interested in action. What will you do for America, 
our great
country at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the 
streets. I
want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America". I want to see 
young Arab
Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a 
commitment of
money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and 
to this
nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to 
regarding
the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in 
Muslim
communities. You know them. You know where they are. Hand them 
over to
us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of 
action.
Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community 
close even
tighter.

You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed 
security
guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You 
have
screamed for protection from reprisals. The very few Arab Muslim
representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive 
and
equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that 
the United
States proves who was responsible before taking action. They 
seemed more
concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence 
directed
towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with 
supporting
our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, 
Farrakhan, and
Arafat. If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and 
peace and
love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the 
Koran and
statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good 
is it if
the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when 
your "leaders"
are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and 
intolerance?

It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of 
the
world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly 
and adhere
to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been 
demonstrated
to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon 
a
foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose 
members are
recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose 
members
defended Johnny Cochran and 0. J. Simpson after the latter 
butchered his
wife and murdered an innocent friend. A form whose members 
(some as young
as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week 
out, year
after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning 
effigies of
our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons 
into the air.
A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to 
take up
arms against the great United States of America, the country of 
their
birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling 
members
refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in 
the name of
Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women 
proudly show
their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful 
whore?

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine 
with
dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and your fellow Muslims 
hate us
because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized 
democratic nation in
the entire middle east? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate 
us, then
why in the world are you even here?

Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our 
peace
and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to 
leave. I
want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are 
treated like
rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, 
and your
Family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE!

We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded 
mentality,
your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow 
the
attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take 
away that
which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest 
constitution in
the world.

I want to know where every Arab Muslim in this country stands 
and I
think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of 
this country
to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my 
brothers
and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is 
protecting
you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I 
want you
here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow 
American. But
there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your 
allegiance and it
is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand.
"Until then ... you worry me."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No one cares<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
This board sucks so bad and takes so long to load that most have 
left unless thay know to clean the scum cookies from their hard 
drive. You, the spam sister of all time have been butt fucking 
this board with spam since day one, just so it will be slow to 
load. You are also the little weeeeeny that heckles anyone that 
posts on this stupid waste of a little rental message board. 
               >>>>>>no one cares little boy<<<<<<<<<<

All your effort to be a jackass has done nothing to me. So die 
out in your little piss ant perverted way, and remember........

                    Suck hard
                      and
                    Blow often! 
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Muslim activists have been trying to convince African American 
citizens that Islam is the religion of the Black man, that Islam 
is African and that Mohammed was Black. Needless to say, Muslims 
only make these claims to Blacks; among Whites they take a 
different approach! 
Africa was not the Cradle of Islam 
Islam went to Africa relatively recently, and is not the 
predominant religion there. African Americans were most likely 
either Christians or Animists at the time they were brought to 
America. 
Christianity has been present in Africa since the first half of 
the first century. St. Mark, the writer of the Gospel of Mark 
was a North African Jew who preached the Gospel to Egypt. From 
there, Christianity spread all over North Africa, and to the 
south of Egypt's borders. The Eastern church raised to the level 
of sainthood many Africans, St. Moses the Black from Egypt and 
St. Tekla Himanote the Ethiopian and others. 

Mohammed was not a Black Man 

Mohammed was an Asian-Arab. You can't confuse an Asian-Arab with 
a Black- African. There are numerous evidences that Mohammed was 
actually WHITE!

Mohammed OWNED Black Slaves 

Mohammed owned several black slaves. Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya 
relies heavily on the prophet's biographies written by great 
ancient scholars. Therefore, he is regarded by Muslims as an 
authority, a primary source and a leader among the students of 
Islamic religion. This scholar tells us in his book, "Zad al-
Ma'ad" (part 1, pp. 114-116), the following: 

"These are the names of Muhammad's male slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, 
Aflah, 'Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala 
Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad'am, Karkara, Abu Rafi', Thawban, 
Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu 
Waqid, Kasam, Abu' Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, and 
also a black slave called Mahran." 

Even in modern times, in Saudi Arabia the homeland of Islam, the 
common word for "Black" is "Abd" meaning slave. 
What was Mohammed's position on freeing the slaves? 

In one instance , a man freed a slave that he kept as a sexual 
partner. When Mohammed heard what happened, he auctioned the boy 
and sold him for 800 derhams to Na-eem Ebn Abdullah Al- Nahham. 
(Sahih Moslem vol. 7, page 83) 

According to Mohammed, the punishment for committing adultery is 
different between a free man, a free woman and a slave-woman. 
The man is to be flogged one-hundred stripes and be exiled for 
one year. The free woman must be stoned to death. But the slave-
woman (since she has a monetary value) will not be exiled or 
killed, she is to be flogged one-hundred stripes. If the 
violation is repeated, the slave-woman is to be sold.(Sahih Al 
Bukhary vol. 8:821 & 822) 

Islam Looked 'DOWN' on Blacks 

Islam is a religion, whose sacred Scriptures contain explicit 
denigrating remarks about Black people. 

Mohammed referred to Blacks as "raisin heads". (Sahih Al Bukhary 
vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256). 

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks 
are, "pug-nosed slaves". (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47). 

Hence anyone can see that Islam is NOT the Haven of Freedom and 
Equality.

Finally to all our dear Black folks

Muslims DON'T care for your skin color, they are only using that 
to gain control over you. For if Muslims really care for 
Africans, why are African Muslims kidnapping their African 
Christian brothers these days in Sudan, butchering the weak and 
selling the healthy as slaves?

The mess started when the Europeans who had converted to 
Christanity, decided to change the ownership of Jerusalam, from 
the hands of the local people, who had taken the newest relilgon 
of the middle east, Islam; to the Europeans who has travelled 
thousands of miles to wage a war. This set a new Unique standard 
in the world. The Europeans will change anything that they do 
not like.

Next was when the Europeans sailed west to find India, they 
landed on the shores of Americas, were helped and welcomed by 
the local people, who were few and had some simple weapons. The 
Europeans saw this as an opportunity to take over these lands; 
so first they proclaimed that they found Americas -- even though 
there were people there. This new lands had enormous wealth; the 
Europeans went wild, they started their domination through out 
the world; mainly because they had superior weapons. So they 
colonizsed or took over the country -- like the Americas, 
Australia, NewZealand, some Pacific Islands, and tried to hang 
on the power in South Africa. The 300/400 years of the 
domination by the Europeans created much wealth and power for 
them; but then they had to free a few of the Nations of the 
World, in many cases creating countries with new mix of people; 
now that in itself is not bad, but there was some grip among the 
new mix of people. I believe this was done deliberately by the 
colonial powers; they understood very clearly the principle 
of 'divide and rule'. Now there was no immediate 'rule' 
involved; but a constant disabaling forces were in play.

So you see the Europeans have created a big fragile World. The 
answer is for this fragile world to come to some kind of 
consolidation; make five or six united states from the countries 
in the neighbourhood. Grow in economic, militaristic and 
academic arenas independent of either commercial or government 
help from USA or any European powers. When these new united 
states become as good as USA, come back to the world community 
as equals. Just one last word of advise to the new nations, so 
not allow life time presidents or governing councils == you will 
never get out of corrpution == limit the term of office to five 
years only -- there might be a fighting chance to become 
something.

PEACE TO ALL